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Albion on 08 June 2010
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JMan said:
Garnett said:
JMan said:
Garnett said:


Nintendo wasn't hardcore last gen, they were the same as they are now, its just now they got motion controls.

Casual games wont outsell hardcore games, but casual games with motion controls will.


I don't buy that.  Iwata became the CEO in 2002, long after the gamecube established its failure to gain a large market share (although it was still a profitable venture).  It was Iwata that implemented the Blue Ocean strategy, starting with the DS games.  He mentions this strategy in the Tokyo Game show in 2005 and how they started this with Nintendogs and Brain Age, both which had been recently released and showed great potential already.  He wanted to appeal to an expanded audience by innovating something new that would appeal to more than just trying to be the best graphics.  Then he unveiled the Revolution.

As for "Casual games won't outsell hardcore games" unless they have motion controls I have only this to offer:  Tetris, which has outsold every "hardcore" game there is (even if you just consider gameboy sales and not sales of the same game on all platforms).  With Nintendogs and Brain Age also close, no -- it isn't just about motion controls.  It's about finding the thing that appeals to a broader audience. 

edit:  I will grant that the Nintendo development did games that were 'cartoony', but they were very specifically targetted at gamers whereas games like "Nintendogs", "Wii Sports", "Brain Age", are most definitely not targetted at the same group as Super Mario Sunshine.  Prior to the Blue Ocean strategy, you find few games like those.

1. Gamecube was a flop, because too many casual games and it was the "kitty console", while Xbox was huge and blunky, they flopped while the PS2 was the cool thing back then.

2. Tetris is a arcade game, just like spade is a arcade game, those types of games dont count.

If you want to believe that it is exclusively motion controls added to casual games that make casual games outsell hardcore, that's your choice.  The fact that Tetris, Nintendogs and Brain Age outselling most hardcore despite not having motion controls can all be excluded from your belief by creating whatever rules you want to exclude them.  It doesn't change the fact that casual games CAN outsell hardcore without motion controls.  But that's irrelevant to the topic anyway.

Nintendo's blue ocean strategy wasn't just motion controls.  The motion controls were just one of the outcomes of that strategy, but it isn't the only part.  Their marketing direction changed, their design philosophy changed.  You say they are identical to the Nintendo that created the GC with the exception of motion controls, but that is definitely not true.  From what Patcher said, he thought Nintendo needed an HD because that's just the next logical step (for a Nintendo of the GC era to compete with Sony and Microsoft).  But that's not the new Nintendo, and Patcher is failing to understand that. 


there stratagy is  about selling a positive image or vision, of  accesibility,  inovation and interaction.  I mean look at the Wii. it looks like its from haven for Frick sake!!! the thing looks so pure and untainted its absolutly outragous.

If you look at the Twins more prossesing power and smaller pixles and trying to push the coregamers  negitive violent status quo forward was definitly there vision. Fueling the fire.

Now look at the black Wii. There going to get games that core gamers will have no choice but to buy the wii to play on it. Core gamers will look at the black Wii and say OMG thx god it dosent look like that freeken positive crap angel white BS Iv been Brainwashed to hate by sony's ad campagnes. Still they will give in since the Wii's price is not that high.

Oh its on like Donkey Kong Biat6ch!!!!!

Its already happened. Look at Monster Hunter tri. Do you know how many Ps3 owners are Butt hurt cause they had to buy a Wii to play that. LOL

I see a ton of them on the CAPCOM forums its hilarious!!!

I think im starting to understand Nintendo's Plan. That hole work your way back to the Core thing you guys been talking about. It works so well with there low cost machine. Disruption. Well i call it pissing on everyons cake. but thats just me.

So most people will end up with a wii and the sony or a Wii and the Xbox  or a Wii and a PC.   Smart stuff. Is there a moment they will have to move out of that model or is this it.