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500 K =/= Flop FF TOTAL 1.3 MILL NA Most ever by a FF first month
While the legs will probably suck
no part of this was a flop |
a big first first month doesn't mean anything,it the game sales drop dead after that.
and we are talking about Final Fanatasy,one of the few eite franchises out there.Comparing to that level,it was a flop not only on 360 but also on PS3
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How is it a flop yet. It has the highest FF numbers month 1
month 2 hasn't happend yet. You can guess that the second month will flop, or trend, but you can't call it a flop yet.
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First off, I highly doubt this is the highest first month sales for a Final Fantasy game, if you're referring to outside of Japan. That would probably go to FFVIII or FFX. We just don't have the numbers for those games outside of Japan. However, both FFVIII and X smashed the first months sales of FFXIII by a longshot in Japan, and Americas sales weren't that much different by comparison (just about a million less). With FFVIII taking the clear lead with 2.5m in the first week in Japan alone. I remember FFX being the most anticipated and pre-ordered game for the PS2 upon its relelase as well. Can't say the same about FFXIII now...
Second of all, the reason people are hesitant to think the game will continue to sell well is because FFXIII is on the systems notorious for having 'major' releases that are front loaded that have no legs. Mostly because the HD consoles are the 'high end' consoles which have the smaller userbase and people usually buy games based on hype.
This isn't the days of the PSX or PS2 where Final Fantasy is riding on the success of being both one of the top 3 franchises AND on the most popular system. Now it not only has competition, but also is on the HD systems.
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Alright It was first week article released by SE I was mistaken, but I don't see how anyone could possibly consider FFXIII a flop unless they consider a Flop (Saleswise not gameplay wise)
from VGC
FFXII First 4 Weeks PS3 USA 1,049,440 Total JapanJP 2,193,153
FFXII First 4 Weeks PS3 Others 878085
Total 4,120,678
I believe Xbox 360 is overtracked by a lot by VGC but FFXIII still has more sales than FFXII ... So, it's idiotic to call it a flop, you could say it didn't reach the peak of sales like the last 2 first FF on new generation consoles 7 and 10.
FFXIII First 4 Weeks PS3 USA 884,264 Total Japan 1,850161
FFXIII First 4 Weeks PS3 Others 739,156
FFXIII First 4 Weeks Xbox USA 660,542
FFXIII First 4 Weeks Xbox Others 384,838
Total 4,518,961
Now I know FFXII is not up there with the high selling Franchises of 7,8,X. But it is for sure on Pace for IX (My beloved RPG my names after) and FFXII
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don't compare with ff12,compare with ff10 and ff8 and overall sales of ff7,8,10.
ff12 basically sold badly cause it was released after ff13's announcement.ff13 noway near the first game on a new console ff sales
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Compare it to FFIX which sold less than 12. All I'm saying is the numbers are no more than say. MGS First game 6 million, MGS2 6, MGS4. 4.6 Does that make metal gear solid 4 a flop. No. I'm not disagreeing that it didn't perform up to 7,8,10 standards.
Flop is the the Final Fantasy Movie Cost 150 million make 30. FFXIII made mucho money as did MGS4, which probably had similar budgets
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FFIX sold less cause it launched near PS2 and FFX was already announced,s release.And why the hell are you comparing MGS which is a niche game and only few people buy it.Also MGS only sold around 1m less than its predecessors,thats not much difference.
I am not saying it is a flop compared to other games but according to FF series standards it is.
its like if HALO sold just 2m,it would be a flop cause previous halo's have sold alot better.Compare the game to its expections
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You're definition of flop, I think is a little harsh, I think a better way to describe it iunderperformed =/= flop so are disagreement might just be on different definitions
A flop to me is like The Final Fantasy Movie Spirits Within (Gorgeous movies yes) where it cost 150 mil. and it made 30 mil netting -120 mil.
Squares Expectations They had 2 different sets at different times by wada, who is a skitzo
At one time he said his goal was to ship 6 million Plus which is realistic and likely going to happen
At another time 2 months later, he said it would outsell seven which is assanine and if that was really his expectation then it was a flop
Was Mario Sunshine a Flop to Mario 64, it sold 4 million less?
Metal Gear Solid 4 is not a niche game. It cost more money to develop Than every single Final Fantasy But Possibly FF13. Metal Gear Solid 4 with Substance Sold 6.4 Million Copies aMGS4 sold almost 2 million less. That would be the comparison.
FFXIII did not sell just 2 million FF sold 4.7 and is still going. So given that its already ahead of pace of IX and XII. Around 6 million is reasonable. Maybe even 5.5 if you want to be negative That's 2.5 million less that FFX about the same
So if you want to consider MGS4 a flop and FFXIII a flop that's fine.
If you're going to compare FFXIII to the 3 highest selling games in the game franchise 7,8,10, then yes it is a underperformed, If you are going to compare it to the last six games it will end up higher than FFIX and FFXII. If you're going to compare to the whole series... it will probably end up number 4 of 12
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just because MGS's budet is high doesn't make it a wide audience game.Niche means it appeals to less people.And don't add substance sales cause MGS4 didn't have an 'existence'.Also MGS is constantly closing in on the 5m mark.
Also this gen,software sales are high,assasin's creed had 8m sales on both its games.I am expecting it to hit 5.5-6m but according to its expectation as all previous first FF games on a new console which have had big hype sold well,this should have too.
some more time on this site will make your predictions better
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What you were expecting, doesn't mean anything, it just means it didn't meet your expectations
"Definition of flop: to be a complete failure; fail: Ex The play flopped dismally."You used the wrong word.
Your also ommitting 2 consoles the SNES and the NES. Anyone can mess around and make the data fit however they want including me or you.
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i am comparing to FF series's high if you wanna comapre it with games like splinter,killzone,its ur choice.
and by your means if halo sold 2m and made a profit,it would be a hit wouln't it.
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Since you're icon is snake, I figured you didn't think metal gear solid 4 was a flop. Metal Gear Solid 4 is not niche. It is less niche in america than Final Fantasy and the numbers from Metal Gear Solid 2 sales decrease the same amount to Metal Gear Solid 4. As FFX numbers decrease to FFXIII beings MG2 and FFX sold over 6 million, and FFXIII and MGS2 has yet to sell 5 million. It's a viable comparison, and thus if one flopped so did the other. I think neither of those flopped
but by your definition both MGS4 and FFXIII flopped. And thats fine
But since you still do not understand or accept the definition of flop. You win the argument, and in return I leave you with these parting words
あなたがばかだと思います. :)
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i am talking of it being in context of comparing it with FF series numbers and hype behind FF13.
anyways,i can see u are knew on this site and you will stop behaving in this way till you spend a couple of more months on it,everybody that comes on this site is the same way that you are behaving.
just one last question,do you think if franchises like Halo of Gran turismo only did 2m,they wouldn't be considered a flop?
stop sticking to the defintion,and try to understand what the other person is trying to say.its like a nerd who tops the class,knows everthing in the book and doesn't know anything about the concerned matter or other thing ouside his books.
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