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Grahamhsu said:
bdbdbd said:
Slimebeast said:
bdbdbd said:
Zucas said:
Slimebeast said:
Yes piracy is theft. You steal a service, someones creation.

For technical reasons in the law piracy is not defined as theft. But the law doesn't own the meaning of words, they have their definition of words and phrases.

Whether piracy hurts the economy or not is not interesting in my opinion. Someone steals something and lets other people pay for it, it's wrong.

Well to be fair, there isn't too much difference in copyright infringement and theft.  Really, it only seems to be the resulting penalty that differs too much because they insinuate the same moral concept: that which isn't yours doesn't belong to you without compensation or consent.  Personally, I think the main reason has to do with the idea of theft being associated with a physical loss which is rather outdated for our society.

But that makes absolutely no sense. There is a big difference if something is actually taken away from you and losing potential gains.

 

This is like someone would steal your car compared someone copying your car. What you lose is that you can't sell your car to the guy who copied it.

But the gains are exactly that!  The gains is what is actually taken away from you. Thus it is theft.

So, it's stealing potential? Back to the car example. Would you be pissed if someone stole your car? Would you be pissed if someone would build a car like your on his own and you couldn't sell your car to that guy?

 

Look, saying that piracy is no different from stealing stuff is huge discredit to people who actually have lost their fortune because of theft.

 

I'll give a different analogy. As we have had our debates about religion; explain to me what's the difference between god man hating dyke, easterbunny, toothfairy and santa claus? All of them are imaginary, but still some people live how god tells them to. So to them, putting these on the same line is discrediting their religion.

The dyke gets the money because the other 3 are figments of your ****** imagination! XD I have to agree with Kasz and bdbdbd on this, piracy is not theft. 

@Slimebeast the sequel to the game you pirated, we could also argue that had you not pirated the first game you would have not bought the second at all. Would you have willingly paid for that game not knowing what your experience would be?

That's a good point. Of course there's some benefit in the other direction too. The Microsoft argument. "Let them pirate Windows, they get accustomed to our products and eventually they'll buy something from us (or recommend it to others who in turn tend to purchase, etc)".

In my case, in the M&B case I'm not entirely sure but I believe I would have bought both games if I couldnt pirate neither.

I know for sure though that I am a huge pirate on PC even though it's my main platform, while I buy relatively more for X360 since my console ain't modded. And on average I save lots of money from pirating stuff.