Geohot hate piracy and stuff

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Akvod said:

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Akvod said:
The difference is in consent. You can gain ownership, permanent or temporary, for free if you have the consent of the original owner.

Taking someone's property without their consent, is theft, a violation of their property rights, and their natural right as a human being. It is in essence, slavery, since you're making someone slave away creating something, and then just taking it away. It's not an issue of compensation either. It's CONSENT.

did you get consent from the publishers of all the games you have on sold? I bet you didn't so your consent argument has no validity if you got consent fine but if you did ask the publishers for consent I bet you wouldn't get it.

Wut? Lol, you're defining consent as me literally going to the creators (which include hundreds of workers) and asking can I buy this? No, we have a complex economic system, with money, and retailers. If you're going to argue that Best Buy sells games without the consent of the creator, or that there isn't implicit and understood consent between me and the dev when I bought from Best Buy is to destroy our modern economy.

And what do you mean I wouldn't get it? If I ask the devs if I can buy their product, they want to make money, they offer a price, and I accept, where is the obstacle?

Fuck it, if you're going to argue that my transaction wasn't consensual, about the most fundamental and unanimously agreed upon beliefs, if you're questioning basic economics, I give up, you can't be convinced.

 

I din't say creators I said publishers I think most devs would like you to experience the game and I didn't say ask for permission to buy the game where they get money I said get permission to buy the game from a second hand retailer.

 

the only reason that publishers don't shut all the places that sell second hand games down or at least try is because it is legal, I am not arguing it is illegal I am arguing that it is immoral.

what about buying a house from someone else instead of the developer?  a used car?  a used text book?  a movie?  at what point is it "moral" to buy something used and at what point is it "immoral" 

imagine if someone built a hose based on the same design by them selves lol

you missed the entire point there.  I was asking where you draw the line in your morality. 

but I don't want to draw a line I might cut myself lol I have puchused plenty of second hand games I am an immoral hypocrite but I refuse to draw arbitrary lines in the sand so you can tell me my view of morality is flawed and a hypocrite I know that already and as I said I reserve the right to use non sensical arguments to confuse the people arguing with me

yet you did make a line because there is one side that you have for moral and one side that is immoral.  Just because you don't say where the line is doesn't mean it's there. 

Just because a person makes something doesn't mean that get to forever have all rights to it  When it is sold or the right to use it is sold.  It no longer belongs to them.  Having the disk with a game on it is not the same as owning the game but having the disk is the right to use that game.  I can sell the disk to someone else and thus sell my right to it.  How moral would it be if every time it changes hands the person who made it gets money for it again?  They didn't add anything to it the dindny modify it or change it it's the same thing they already made.  If they don't want to make things in a medeum that makes a product that can be resold.  They shouldn't do it. Go for digital distribution.  Or do a buisiness that offers a service.  You can't resel or pirate a service.   Yet that's not the industry they are in.  So to reduce resales make a game that has more replay value make a game people will want to hold on to.  If people keep the game there won't be any choice but to buy new. 

Trying to blame this all on the consumer who buys used is crazy.  Not only that but trying to tell me it's imoral for me to sell a game to someone else.  So what if the only person gets money for me selling a game is me?  It's a copy of the game that the publisher put out onto the market and some of those products can wind up back on the market. 

good point but I think you will find that as soon as publishers can reasonably switch to all digital distribution they will, and publishers are already doing things to make it as hard as possible for you to resell games, looks at install limits and tying games to steam and other online accounts you think this will stay in the PC space? publishers are just using PC gamers as guinea pigs and soon they will be trying it in the console space it is only a matter of time until some of the games you buy will be tied to PSN or XBox Live and you will have to beg for it to be switched to a new account just like you have to do with steam games.