| theprof00 said: You are hopeless. You come up with these strange goalposts in the face of proof and then make up your own numbers despite demanding links from me. While the 360 doesn't change the hard drives that often, they bundle different software, they change the internal fans, processor type AND size, different power supplies etc etc. And yet you claim that Sony has had more changes because of HDD upgrades? Do you even remember what we were talking about? We were talking about price increases over different models. It just happened to focus on HDD because we were talking about the ps3, but MS did the same when it switched processors, decreased die size, changed fans, different power supplies, added wifi or even ADDED a hard drive. The difference between the old core and elite was maybe 15-25$, but the price increase was over 100$! This is our argument, do not fall off topic. MS routinely uses different models and price points to "trick" the consumer. However, like I mentioned earlier, you can ONLY use 360 brand hard-drives on the 360 (whereas you can use ANY harddrive on the ps3), and you can ONLY use 360 brand wifi. Each of those is 100$, so it IS a deal to buy the elite over the core or arcade. MS is, if anything, MORE about doing what Sony does, than Sony is. The whole point of bringing up the price was to point out that the reason why MS isn't being as price competitive is because they are trying to be profitable. They don't care about bringing the elite price down because they've lost so much already. This has nothing to do with current gen or last gen cherry picking, it's about them being in the position to focus on profit rather than competition. And yes, those factory workers do indeed get vacations! And yes, I'm familiar with the concept of excess supply, but I wrote "excess" in quotes because I thought you were taking too much from the wording. Yes the 250g supply does exceed the demand, for now, but it isn't that much. They will be sold. I already said that as well. The purpose of having excess supply, especially in this case, is that when there is a shortage on 120s, and three of the biggest games of the year come out in 1 month or so, a lot of customers become more willing to spend more if they can't find a 120. I already said this too. Don't be confused, while at the moment it is excess supply, it will be bought. Also, consider this. If you produce a lot of products as quickly as possible, you save money. So, you actually save money by having initial excess. If you produce a small amount over a longer period, it's more costly. I'm sure you are familiar with economy of scale so I won't bore you with the details.
"Some people avoid getting permission because they don't understand the permissions process or consider it too expensive. However, the process is not difficult and the fee for use of common text, photo, or artwork is commonly under $200 per use. In some cases, it's free. On the other hand, the legal fees for dealing with an unauthorized use lawsuit can easily cost ten to 50 times the average permission expense -- or more!" http://www.nolo.com/products/getting-permission-RIPER.html As if it even matters that I have a link.
Again, you just made up a percentage per part and made up a number of parts. You realize though, that you are still supporting the stupidest idea in the history of vgc, where Sony is paying ~150$ per console for licensing...on TOP of the ~336$component cost. Anyone and everyone on this site can tell you how wrong you are here wlakiz. Facebook is free. Twitter is free. Netflix MAKES money off the ps3. ff13 characters help promote the game's sales. All of these things ARE negotiated, but likely, none of them is paid for. Facebook doesn't charge to use it's site for computers or mobile phones. under "Your Rights" "Twitter gives you a personal, worldwide, royalty-free, non-assignable and non-exclusive license to use the software that is provided to you by Twitter as part of the Services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling you to use and enjoy the benefit of the Services as provided by Twitter, in the manner permitted by these Terms."
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Well, first of all, 30 is not really a made up number.. its the number of components broken down from the PS3 motherboard http://www.chipworks.com/uploadedFiles/Technical_Competitive_Analysis/Capabilities/Sony_Playstation_report%20%282%29.pdf
I am trying to dig into the patents of each part, to see which parts is susceptible to royalty fees. So far, I only got the Rambus memory that Ps3 uses, and according to http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Articles/2009/06/12/46275/rambus-to-cut-dram-royalty-charges-in-eu-settlement.htm, Rambus memory's royalty for DDR type memory is at 2.65%, PS3 uses XDR which i would assume would be at a slightly higher royalty rate (maybe 3%?) due to the technology being at a 'higher class'. A lot of the components are unknown and royalty rates are mostly unpublished, so its going to take a while.. feel free to help if you are insterested in the data. 
Secondly, we were talking about profitablity in changing the HDD. Microsoft doesn't do it often thats a fact. They never had a 40gb , 80gb or the 160gb like the PS3.
Thirdly, when exactly are these production blackout months (got examples of one?). This is the first time I heard of a company that just shuts down their factory for a couple months and pay all their workers vacation time off. If you mean that demand will increase in subsequent days/months such that all 250gb will be sold out as well, then I will agree that 250gb is not at excess.
Fourthly, if you read the quote again, it says "Legal Fees" that is different from amount that the plantiff is charging the defendent. Technically, if any company plans to sue another company they make sure it is worth the legal fees. Again, Immersion got that much because the royalty + interest was worth that much not because it went to court; MS settled about the same amount outside of court and saved on the legal fees.
Finally, there is a difference between personal use and marketing. Sony markets Facebook and Twitter to boost their own product sales. If you re-read twitter tos, Twitter gives you a personal, worldwide, royalty-free..." the key word is personal. They probably have their own terms for companies that want to port their brand into cellphones (like the blackberry, iphone) which would include royalties.
