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Viper1 said:
aragod said:
Viper1 said:
1. I can list several dozen new IP's not yet released that say Hi.

2. Then explain why the Wii has relatively the same software attach ratio as the PS3?

As Chrizum stated, you may agree with some of his statements yet their factual basis falters heavily toward being false.

1. Most of the large publishing houses are abandoning the Wii after sales disappointment.

2. It's not about software attach ratio, it's about non casual game attach ratio (with the EXCEPTION for Nintendo titles OFC).

Madworld, Little King's Story, The Conduit, Muramasa, No More Heroes 1 + 2, Okami, Zack and Wiki - none of these games sold more than half a milion on 60+ milion console, what does that tell you? And these are one of the highest rated and best third party games on Wii

I have them, you might have them, a lot of people here will have them, but the other 68 000 000 people don't.

PS3 has a MUCH MUCH better attach ratio for third party games than Wii.

So I can very well understand his point. And if you've looked at some of the fact, you wouldn't be so sure to disregard them as beeing false. For the last year, there have been many and many news articles with western publishers and developers dropping Wii for new IPs.

1. Name me 1 big publisher abandoning Wii.  Just 1. 

2. MadWorld - The game that Sega stated sold in line with their expectations and are contemplating a sequel.  Also the best selling game from the former Clover Studios ever (prior to Bayonetta which had a much bigger marketing budget than Mad World)
No More Hereoes - Suda 51's best selling game ever.  I guess he should be disappointed?
Muramasa - Have you seen the sales data for the other games this studio has made?  Apparently not.
Okami - So Capcom takes a 2 year old port and has it sell better on the 65 million Wii than the 130 million PS2.  I'm confused how this is a bad thing.
Zack and Wiki - Can you show me any point and click games over the past several years on a home console to sell any better?

PS3 has a better attach rate for 3rd parties yet the Wii still sells more 3rd party software than PS3, has more million selling 3rd party games.....so again your point, and his, misses the mark.  

1) I never said that they are abandoning Wii, they are abandoning new "hardcore" IP development. We'll still get you third party games that sells more than third party on HD (= mini game collections, hoorah).

2) None of these games sold more than 0.5 m, some of them sold around 0.1-2 m, and these are not the only ones, add Tatsunoko-vs-Capcom, Dead Space Extraction and pretty much every other 3rd party title. I really don't want to do this, but I might scroll down whole metacritics top 50 to show you, that pretty much every decent third party game sold so little.

Show me a third party title with noticable sales, even better, new IP, that is not casual (< you know what I mean). One that isn't riding on it's name as established franchise (or it can, I still doubt there will be more than 1-2).



MY HYPE LIST: 1) Gran Turismo 5; 2) Civilization V; 3) Starcraft II; 4) The Last Guardian; 5) Metal Gear Solid: Rising