No more threads on shipped vs sold stuff

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theprof00 said:

PDF said:

psrock said:

 I like sales disscussions and to be told to shut up about a subject that needs further talk is frustrating both ways.

This was another point i was going to make but forgot.

@theprof00 - I disagree that VGC will be subscribed to by companies seeing how the basis of the site is the data is FREE.   The direction of the site seems that more of a Videogame website like ign rather than that of NPD.    but hey I could be wrong though.

I disagree with the rule but its not my site.  So thats that.

PSrock was given this reply in a recent thread "@psrockI suggest you go back and read the thread (specifically my posts) - things may be a little more clear then"-ioi

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=99553

Everything was explained, and while I love psrock, ioi did explain several times (at least 4 times) and did not tell anyone to "shutup".

As far as your disagreement goes:

"For VGC 3.0 we are planning 3 levels of access for data:

• Free where you can see top 20 charts each week (top 50 rankings), top 10 per console (top 30 rankings), hardware, top 10 preorders (top 30 rankings), new features like milesones, weekly records. Will be enough to have an overview and to discuss trends.
• Standard membership (~$7.99 per month) where you can see top 200 per week, top 50 per console, top 50 per publisher, top 100 preorders, extra comparison tools, maybe top level download charts, maybe no ads.
• Premium membership (for industry) where you can see all data as well as some fancy tools for analysing revenues, year on year data, anticipation metrics plus much more.

So you won't HAVE to pay to view data but if you do subscribe it gives you access to more data. Unfortunately, the data-collection side to VGChartz has got to a point now where it is costing more to run than it is generating in ad revenue, therefore we need to move to a new costing model to continue to grow and improve the service. The data certainly won't be going anywhere but you'll only be able to see top-level data for free with the new site. It's more a case of adding new stuff and charging to use it than charging for what is already there."

 

I understand you disagree with the rule, as do I. However, I don't think this trend will continue in the future. It makes the most sense to do exactly as you and I said, provide people with a stickied thread containing information pertaining to shipped vs sold and adjustments, then, upon repeat, warn and lock. If it happens again, ban. This is only slightly more harsh than normal, which is people laughing at the person after they've repeatedly refused to listen. There are pros and cons to this new rule.

One con is that some people will find it unfair. (IMO it is very fair)

One pro is that it will keep posters from shoving pertinent threads out of the hot topics list. These kinds of threads additionally cause so much controversy that it envelops a good portion of the audience and subsequently even prevents new topics being created. So, not only are they dilutatory, but diversionary as well.

ANother con is that people will say we ban people who disagree with us.

Another pro is that the forum will look a lot cleaner and more professional to potential investors.

etc etc. I think the pros outweigh the cons, but we can agree to disagree if you'd like.

 

I just wanted to clarify that I'm not trying to attack you PDF. I like you as a poster and enjoy your contributions. I am just very passionate about this site. ioi is an awesome dude and he doesn't afraid of anything. He nursed this site from infancy, and it will be huge one day. I am happy to be a part of this inspirational collegiality. Like I said, when I first got here, I went on and on about sales vs shipped and so many people graciously explained it to me. I conformed because so many people went out of their way to explain it despite my indignance to understand the very simple explanation. Many won't conform, and so should they be repurcussed against.

wait how did i miss the thread about vgc 3.0 and a paid adless membership damn sighn me up for that ( can we get a deal on purchasing a year out like a live membership?)  stupied work wih 66 hour weeks .... oh well the money for gaming makes up for it