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MM: Sorry I didn't read all the way through. I read the initial parts and just went from there, my mistake. Nintendo's practices back in the 80's and and 90's (NES-N64) You can see why third parties were weary of Nintendo. That was under Yamauchi and he was an iron fist (I liked his style lol) He and Square's President really had a bitter engagement.

But with GC and Iwata taking over Nintendo began being much more humble and showed more humility then they have ever done before. With the GC it was more powerful than the PS2, easier to develop for and was still froze out of Third Party games. You can point to installed base and say it was too low. With the Wii though its outselling its competitors handily individually and often times combined, it is easy to develop for Nintendo has welcomed Third Parties with open arms and still pretty much froze out. With the excuse being Hardware or 'userbase audience'. There is always something, its like wack a mole.

I can definitely understand not betting on Nintendo with the Wii as a CEO of a third party company I would have bet heavily on PS3 too though after seeing the initial price I would have scaled back considerably. But after a couple of years that would have changed. Rather than parrot people calling Wii a fad I would have been throwing resources at the platform. Like Fahey says of the DS. Wii is not third parties enemy but they treat it like one.

But honestly, I don't think Nintendo and third party third party situation is really about grudges. If it were DS would be froze out as well. Because the PSP/DS battle was eerily similar to PS3/Wii. Where you see differences I see similarities. Many third parties put their resources with PSP, DS was supported primarily with Nintendo 'casual games' and was drenched in third party shovelware then the shift happened after DS' installed base became to much to ignore and the rest is history. Seems third parties didn't hold so much a grudge for Nintendo after all. DS gets more third party support than any system I've seen (Japanese)

So see a shift did occur towards Nintendo and TP's were not scared to compete with Nintendo on their own platform. To me though Wii has most in common with NES as the best games NES was known for (from TP's) came towards the latter end of its life.

Wii is a software beast. When Nintendo can state they've sold more third party software than their competitors yet havent received half the resources of them that speaks volumes.

The thing with me MM, is that I don't buy the excuses because that's all they are. Third Parties are their own entity and make their own decisions. They seem to be pist and question the Wii when their mediocrity doesn't sell, that's not my problem. Like the old adage goes "the customer is always right"

If third parties are having a hard time selling now because of the abundance of shovelware they've drenched the Wii with then that is their own problem. As far as I'm concerned they are leavin way too much money on the table. You can only go so long saying "we bet on the wrong horse" or "this is a test game" before your test subjects say f-this I'm outta here.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.