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Lord Flashheart said:

Well Kantor imagine if you will, this is going to be a bit of a stretch and will take a lot of imagination, but you're a fan of Halo

Ok seriously this is my real point but will also take some thinking out of the box for you but there's a casual gamer. Now he's also a fan of FPS games. He also likes Halo.
Ok that's the easy part, imagine now that he has the capacity to like other games than halo and FPS's?

Just because you don't like Halo and can't understand that someone would doesn't mean you can pigeon hole them like you did.


There are many different types of xbox owners than the FPS crowd you ps fans seem to lower us to. We buy many different types of games as the sales on this site attest to.
Some who doesn't like Halo could buy 'Planet Wars', Hardcore Halo fans could buy it, casual halo fans could buy it. Without halo on it there would be no reason for someone to instantly dismiss it just from looking at the cover and seeing 'Halo' there.

With the "marmite" factor gone it's open to all players to look into and the only prejudice is the fact that RTS's don't work on console remotes. Well with the control system HW has and the buzz around it I see it becoming a very viable gaming option for a lot that would never try a console RTS. Like me. If the controls didn't work I wouldn't have bought it.

So it's gone from regular RTS to very good RTS now (with the obvious put down that I expect from you) and you've played it as well.

It may shock you to know that I am a fan of Halo. I don't love it as much as some people, but I feel the hate it gets is undeserved.

Yes, he can certainly like other genres and series. I chose Halo and FPS because they are the most popular series and genre on the 360 respectively. Now, let's imagine this man is in a store. Here's what he sees:

-Planet Wars, a console RTS. He's never really liked RTS. It looks pretty good, though.

-Call of Duty: World at War. This looks very interesting. It's a shooter. Set in World War II. He's played CoD4 and enjoyed it. He doesn't know who Infinity Ward and Treyarch are, so he doesn't care about that.

Now, imagine for a second, you are this man. Please note, you don't know what a "Metacritic" is, and you think "Ensemble" is a group of instruments playing together. Being a fan of Halo and CoD4 (incidentally, the two best selling 360 games), you figure you would like this game, right?

It would be fantastic if games sold on innovation and quality. They don't. Take the classic examples: Ico. Okami. Psychonauts. Artistic genius, great games, commercial failures. Then, look at NFS: Undercover and Carnival Games. Nothing remotely original, very badly made, and they sell gangbusters. To a lesser extent, Assassin's Creed. Not a bad game, by any stretch of the imagination. But, not fantastic. Not among the best games of 2007. Would anyone disagree with me here: BioShock is better. Uncharted is better. Tools of Destruction is better. CoD4 and Halo were better, and they did outsell it (thank god). BUT, they did not outsell it because they were great games! If Halo 3 was called "Alien Destruction" or something (it's hard to think of a name), it would have sold, on word of mouth, sure. It wouldn't have crossed 10 million, though.

For a game to really sell on word of mouth, it has to be like CoD4. Basically, nothing short of incredible. Tons of replay value. Easy to learn, even for those who don't play FPS. Popular genre. How many of those does Halo Wars have going for it?



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