vlad321 said:
ironman said:
vlad321 said:
Zucas said:
Only pirating is immoral. It is the only one where the publisher (not the developer as they have no role in this part) is not actually selling the copy to someone. In all the others, the developer has already sold that copy so at least they got something out of it. In pirating... they get nothing. |
Same with used games as well. They see nothing from them.
Erm, yes they do, not directly, but they do. Have you ever sold some games you weren't fond of or had beaten, so you could then use that money to buy a new release? I would venture a guess most people have.
@ironman
Counterfeits are not perfect copies and unless it's money they get tried for fraud not sopyright infringement.
Pirated copies are not perfect either, you have to patch them (on PC) and in most cases you cannot play them on a validated server. And while technically the argument doesn't work, it was still a good analogy, For all intents and purposes Counterfits = Pirating
Also, in some counterfiting cases, the purchaser thinks they are getting an origional, not a copy.
As to used game sales being good for the industry, then so are pirated games. Developers see none of the money in either case.
Nope, devs don't see money from Pirates, if they can pirate one game, they will pirate more. Also, The used game market, more games must be sold, one new game must be sold for one used game to be sold, in a pirate "market" one game is is bought, then given to many people who otherwise could have bought a new or used compy. So...you fail...now, you never told me what game dev you work for...who ever it is, let them know that they would be idiots to kill off the used game market.
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If one person buys used games at reduced price he buy ALL his games at reduced price so the developers don't see any money to begin with, if you assume it's true for pirates why wouldn't it be true with used game users? Feels like you are failing here. As I said, developers don't see any money from used game sales. Prove me wrong.
Well, no actually, most people who primerily purchase used games will, in most cases, purchase a new one once in a while, and they are freeing up capital that will eventually be used by other people to purchase new releases. There is a differance between pirates and people who purchase used games...and that is money. One is more willing to spend it, the other one is more willing to keep it.
Oh hey, little hint, read my posts, this is the third time I have had to explain this simple concept to you, I grow weary of banging my head against the brick wall that is your failed argument. But, just to humor you... People are more likely to buy new releases if they can sell it later on down the road. People are more willing to buy new releases when they are unsure whether they will like the game or not, if they can sell it down the road and recoup some of their losses. Selling games you no longer want to play, or that you didn't like, gives you more money to spend on that new release that you really want to buy.
Without the used game market, new game sales would plummet, many people would stop gaming, or game on old systems (in which case, the devs don't see a dime.) and many more would have less money to purchase games with, and therefore would buy fewer games (in which case the devs see less money) And to top it off, system sales would plummet...after all, if you can't afford the games for the system, why buy it? Once system saled plummeted, there would be fewer devs for them, (devs would be closing their doors). Fewer devs means less games, less games means fewer good games, fewer good games means less gamers, less gamers means less sales, and the downword spiral continues. Worst case scenerio, the entire gaming market collapses because the greedy devs decided to alienate the people who can't afford to play games unless they buy them used.
@Wonk
So your excuse is that developers should be panny pinching and making us pay for the same game twice every 10 years or so? Yeah... sure... Also here is the problem with your "right" that you are selling. If you break that disc you are fucked, go try to get a new one statig that your right to play ahsn't been broken yet.
No, you payed for the rights to play that disc, you forfeit that right if you damage the disc beyond repair. simple as that.
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