Which is moraly (not legaly) worse? Secondhand _ Pirating _ Renting_Lending

[vlad321]

ironman said:

vlad321 said:

Zucas said:
Only pirating is immoral. It is the only one where the publisher (not the developer as they have no role in this part) is not actually selling the copy to someone. In all the others, the developer has already sold that copy so at least they got something out of it. In pirating... they get nothing.

Same with used games as well. They see nothing from them.

Erm, yes they do, not directly, but they do. Have you ever sold some games you weren't fond of or had beaten, so you could then use that money to buy a new release? I would venture a guess most people have.

@ironman

Counterfeits are not perfect copies and unless it's money they get tried for fraud not sopyright infringement.

Pirated copies are not perfect either, you have to patch them (on PC) and in most cases you cannot play them on a validated server. And while technically the argument doesn't work, it was still a good analogy, For all intents and purposes Counterfits = Pirating

Also, in some counterfiting cases,  the purchaser thinks they are getting an origional, not a copy.

As to used game sales being good for the industry, then so are pirated games. Developers see none of the money in either case.

Nope, devs don't see money from Pirates, if they can pirate one game, they will pirate more. Also, The used game market, more games must be sold, one new game must be sold for one used game to be sold, in a pirate "market" one game is is bought, then given to many people who otherwise could have bought a new or used compy. So...you fail...now, you never told me what game dev you work for...who ever it is, let them know that they would be idiots to kill off the used game market.

 

If one person buys used games at reduced price he buy ALL his games at reduced price so the developers don't see any money to begin with, if you assume it's true for pirates why wouldn't it be true with used game users? Feels like you are failing here. As I said, developers don't see any money from used game sales. Prove me wrong.

@Wonk

So your excuse is that developers should be panny pinching and making us pay for the same game twice every 10 years or so? Yeah... sure... Also here is the problem with your "right" that you are selling. If you break that disc you are fucked, go try to get a new one statig that your right to play ahsn't been broken yet.