Super Mario Galaxy - on track for "2nd Best Game Ever"

[Final-Fan]

Lost tears of Kain said:

Final-Fan said:

Lost tears of Kain said:

Final-Fan said:

OK, I exaggerated in my last post, but this, as I understand it, is literally what you've been arguing, LtoK:

1. Bioshock is very different from System Shock 2.
1a. It is very different, even if the gameplay is identical (or identical except for the dumbed-down parts), because it has a different story.

2. Super Mario Galaxy is not very different from Super Mario 64.
2a. It is not very different because the story is the same.
2b. The new gravity-based gameplay mechanics are a minor gameplay tweak -- an improvement but not an innovative development.
2c. Also, it's not different because you still collect coins and stars and stuff.

3. It's my opinion, so you can't prove it wrong.
3a. Zomg.

My responses:

1. No it isn't.
1a. I defer to naznatips on this, and he has shown that he is right, and many, many sources readily available on the Net back him up.

2. Yes it is.
2a. Don't be silly.
2b. The gravity mechanic is HUGE, and your dismissal of it indicates to me that you don't really grasp the doors it opens in terms of new gameplay possibilities. I don't blame you too much -- I think we all will learn quite a bit only after experiencing this game -- but your refusal to see even the glimmering potential is quite frustrating.
2c. Are you serious? That's like saying a FPS is unoriginal because you shoot people.

3. Don't be silly. If you want to stick your fingers in your ears and yell "la la la I'm not listening", you have that right, but don't pretend you're participating in a debate that way.

First off, ive already stated that its over leave it alone

Second your responses are your opinions.......what ive been saying this whole time.

 

Not quite. You said, "I win the argument, so since I won everyone has to stop talking about it." Are you 10 years old?

But since you so obviously aren't interested in constructive debate I am willing to drop it.

When did i say that? Your sticking words into my mouth and being an inconsiderate prick. NOw drop it, your raising shit thats already been resolved. Your trying to have a debate with no winner and i see no point

I didn't mean to claim that that was an actual quote but rather a depiction of your demeanor.  Here is the actual quote: 

"Ill admit i was wrong, but then if thats the case, naz must admit hes wrong about bioshock and call of duty. Same with dweti saying Bioshock is pretty much System shock 2.

"Its all opinions, and im afraid i sent us down a dark path, and again im leaving it so leave this topic alone

"You all got it, good then leave it alone"

So basically you admitted that your (totally unsubstantiated) claims were wrong UNDER THE CONDITION that you be allowed to pronounce naznatips' well-cited, yet-to-be-refuted description of Bioshock also wrong.

Then you say that since you have so neatly settled the debate, everyone should shut the hell up about it. 

I am trying to say, 'You don't get to make that kind of unilateral decision, but since this debate isn't going anywhere I'm fine with letting it die.'  (Notice the half-quotes?  That's what I should have used before.)  Repeat:  I AM FINE WITH LETTING THIS DEBATE DIE.  I JUST DENY THAT YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DECLARE WHO IS RIGHT AND WRONG AND ORDER EVERYONE TO STOP TALKING.