Nintendo has lost the core market this generation

[Final-Fan]

theprof00 said:

Final-Fan said:

"It was only this generation that a peripheral finally found it's place as an alternative. It's been 20+ years and no peripheral has been quite as accepted as the wiimote."

As an alternative?  A controller as an alternative to a controller?  If you really meant "as an alternative type of controller", you wrote it wrong.  

As for your other point, it's bullshit.  If nothing has been as accepted then that literally means it has been accepted more than anything else; i.e. it has been the most accepted.  (Nothing having been "quite" as accepted means the same thing unless you want to claim it implies only being the most-accepted by a small margin, which makes no difference to the point.)  

"the quote is talking more about the way it was accepted and not how much it was accepted." 

If this is really what you meant, then you wrote it in completely the wrong way and no reasonable person with a standard understanding of English would have read it that way.  (I suppose that's redundant but whatever.)  

You should have written something like, "no peripheral has been accepted quite LIKE the wiimote", or, even better, "accepted in quite the same way that the wiimote has been".  

If you had written it that way, then (once I understood that you meant "peripheral" to mean "controller") I would have agreed with you, since no controller has been fought the way the Wii Remote has been.   

Yes I did mean another kind of controller.sorry

The word "as" is both a qualifier of quantity and quality. It can be interpreted either way.

to the same degree, amount, or extent; similarly; equally: I don't think it's as hot and humid today as it was yesterday.

2.	for example; for instance: Some flowers, as the rose, require special care.

3.	thought to be or considered to be: the square as distinct from the rectangle; the church as separate from the state.

4.	in the manner (directed, agreed, promised, etc.): She sang as promised. He left as agreed.

Final-Fan said:

Also, your use of the more general term "peripheral" shoots yourself in the foot. Here are some things that could be considered "peripherals":

Battery memory in game cartridges -- before which you couldn't save your game in a console. I think this took off pretty well.

Optical discs instead of cartridges (consoles having optical drives) -- the only console maker to buck the trend got hammered in sales and their next console used optical discs. The parallels to motion controls are considerable.

Online capability (consoles having modems/network connectivity)

etc.

I agree that those are all peripherals. But like I just showed, "as" can be used as a qualifier of quality.

Final-Fan said:

theprof00 said:
wait! What did you want me to respond to? There was nothing else in that post!
Are you asking me to respond to the "most rejected" thing?

As for "most accepted", wouldn't the most sensible measure be the amount of the gaming community that is accepting it?  The NES wins by far in that case, right?  (The Wii certainly doesn't.) [by "amount" I meant "proportion", i.e. 85% of gamers or whatever]

And now you're talking about "best-designed", which, although I agree, is a very different thing.

That's two other things in that post.  The "most rejected" thing was another point underscoring how very wrong the "most accepted" thing is.  [edit:  Looking at it from another angle than my original point did.]

I showed you that I never said "most accepted". I said "as accepted".

"to the same degree, amount, or extent; similarly; equally: I don't think it's as hot and humid today as it was yesterday."

Notice how this definition is the ONLY one in your list to use the "as _ as _" construction, which is what you did.  ("quite AS accepted AS the wiimote")  Therefore, this is the only way a reasonable person could interpret what you wrote if he assumed, as I did, that you were writing what you meant to say.  

This construction IMO cannot refer to "the way it was accepted".  It only refers to "the extent to which it was accepted".  Consider the bolded definition.  "Quality" only would apply in that something can be e.g. "not quite as pure as something else".  This is totally different from the meaning you have in mind IMO.  

(ESPECIALLY when one considers the use of "quite", which gives emphasis to things being said the way I interpreted it ("it's not quite as hot as it was yesterday") and not the way you meant it (... I can't even do it!)  Of course, "quite" has other applications, like "Quite so." and "It's quite hot." (oh wait, that's not different from the way I mean it) and "I've had quite enough of this." -- but I think I'm getting off topic.)  

Let's backtrack a moment.  You now have said that by "preipheral" you were referring to the fact that the Wii Remote is a controller, and that by "alternative" you meant "alternative type of controller".  

Thus
"It was only this generation that a peripheral finally found it's place as an alternative. It's been 20+ years and no peripheral has been quite as accepted as the wiimote."
becomes
"It was only in this generation that an alternative type of controller peripheral finally found its place."  

Now which second sentence makes more sense, considering what you were saying before?
"It's been 20+ years and no peripheral has found acceptance in quite the same way the Wii Remote has"
or 
"It's been 20+ years and no peripheral has found quite as much success as the Wii Remote has"
?

!!!

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?  I don't mean ignorance of subject matter, I mean literally not knowing what you, yourself, are talking about.  

"This entire past has been a race to graphical dominance. It was only this generation that a peripheral finally found it's place as an alternative. It's been 20+ years and no peripheral has been quite as accepted as the wiimote."

Consider the first sentence.  Then consider how the second sentence follows.  It's perfectly clear to me that you are saying that the Wii Remote has found a place as an alternative to the graphics competition that has occurred in the past and which the other two consoles concentrated on.  

Now consider another quote from you:  
""as an alternative".
"As far as that is concerned, it is the most highly accepted alternative to a traditional controller"

Here, you are clearly saying that the Wii Remote found a place, not as an alternative to graphics wars, but as an alternative to traditional controllers.  

The Wii Remote is an alternative in both these ways, but only one of these ways appears to be what you were originally saying in the post that started all this.  

Or were you just making a completely irrelevant point in a discussion that's complicated enough already?  

...

"It was only this generation that a peripheral finally found it's place as an alternative. It's been 20+ years and no peripheral has been quite as accepted as the wiimote."
"As an alternative?  A controller as an alternative to a controller?  If you really meant "as an alternative type of controller", you wrote it wrong."
"Yes I did mean another kind of controller.sorry" 

First off, let me apologize for getting that wrong.  I didn't check back to the "mother post" at the time.  But...

You LITERALLY don't know what you're talking about! 

"it is the most highly accepted alternative to a traditional controller"

The D-pad was an "alternative" to the traditional joystick controls.  
The thumbstick was an alternative to traditional controllers that had only a D-pad.  
Rumble was an alternative functionality of controllers.  
And now motion controls have become an alternative to traditional controllers that lack them.  

They're alternative ... until they are accepted ... and become the standard ... and become part of what you have decided to call "traditional controllers".  

And for the record I dislike this usage of "alternative" since it implies that the Wii Remote is non-standard, which it's not (for its console, which is the only sensible thing for us to be talking about).