Is this quote racist and/or sexist?

[theRepublic]

Kasz216 said:

theRepublic said:

Kasz216 said:

theRepublic said:

Kasz216 said:

theRepublic said:

outlawauron said:

akuma587 said:
I think its pretty racist how the Supreme Court is completely unrepresentative of the American people. 1 women and 2 minorities (Clarence Darrow and Ruth Bader Ginsberg). Any government body should ideally be representative of the actual public.

Diversity and Equality are great but race shouldn't qualify anyone to me Supreme Court Justice.

They shouldn't be qualified by race alone, but I do think there needs to be more diversity on the court.  I know that justice is supposed to be blind, but I don't think it actually happens in real life.  There needs to be different points of view.

You do realize you just suggested that all people of the same race think alike right? 

People should get jobs based soley on their ability.  When it's at the top of government this should be even more the case.

I went back to reread this.  You really confuse me Kasz.

You assume the absolute worst of me, accusing me of thinking that all members of a race are the same.  I may not have worded it the best that I could, but I certainly didn't mean what you insinuated.

Then later in the thread, you state that it is possible for people to remain unbiased in their decisions.  That basically assumes the absolute best of a person.

Opposite ends of the spectrum there.

Not really... I go by words and actions... your words stated that... I didn't actually think you realized you said that... but a lot of people say and believe racist and sexist things without realizing they are saying such things.  Like when they say Men and Women are fundamentally different personality wise.  They aren't.  It's 90+% Socialization that creates the differences between men and women.

I do believe that people can actually compartmentalize their work and what they believe.  I've seen it a lot.  People working against what they know is the best way to do something or refusing to do something they want... because they know the way they're supposed to do stuff.

Also, I actually do believe in people as a whole as well... though I find that laws that "force" people to appeal to better "morals" tend to be counterintutive to the changing of people.  In sociology it's a well known fact that changes that were made by changes in attitude influenced by education are much more effective then legislation.

Take a look at smoking.  More and more smoking is seen as gross and bad for you etc... when it used to be thought as cool.

Unless of course... your under the legal smoking age.

I was letting this go until now, but stop calling me racist.  You've been dancing around it without actually saysaying it but now you have.

I'll quote what I said to sqrl: "No it doesn't.  It assumes that people of different backgrounds have different life experience."

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That can be done with your known biases, but what about all the unknown biases?

 

How is that calling you a racist?  What you said was racist.  Whether you meant to be racist in what you said is another issue... whether you are racist is another issue.

If someone says something racist i'm going to point out they said something racist.  When you said that I thought you believed it and in fact were being racist without knowing it.  There are tons of cases where people are racist and don't realize it.  Race isn't as big of an issue as people make it out to be.  People with equal economic situations tend to end up the same.  Race is skin deep.  As for culture.  Not everyone of the same race gets the same culture... that in of itself is a racist assumption.  Not even people from the same area often get the same culture.

As for unknown biases... if they're unknown they're probably not strong enough to be a problem.  If it is... it's pretty easy to spot out rulings where people step outside of the lines.

The current system can in fact get these people into power.  It's just up to people to insist their congressmen and president do things this way. 

You said I stated all people of the same race were the same, which I didn't.

Like I said before: I think that how their parents raised them, the friends they grew up with, the church they went to, their life experiences, the law school they went to, the professors they studied under, etc., will all affect the decisions they make. Those things affect everyone in ways they may, or may not realize. More often then not, I think it is the later. 

You think the current system can do that?  Doing the same thing over and over will get different results?