Gallup: More Americans “Pro-Life” Than “Pro-Choice” for First Time

[vlad321]

appolose said:

vlad321 said:

appolose said:

vlad321 said:

 

See you are the one that chcanges the argument, not I. If you wanna go down that path however, how is sperm different than a fertalized egg? It's got the outside shell, it's got chromosomes, it moves, it responds to stimuli, it moves around even! That's more than a fertalized egg can do for some weeks. Why should government take control of a woman's body just because she has something that does even less than sperm in her?

 

 How did I change the argument?  You asked me if I considered sperm to be human.  And, just to wrap up the previous argument, you would agree that the government would have all the rights in the world to protect a fetus provided it is a human being, correct?  If so, then you must realize that anti-abortionists are not advocating pro-government body control.

In any event, a living animal is far more animate and conscious than sperm, yet I do not consider them human.  In other words, if something is moving and responding to stimuli, it does not make it human.

No, anti-abortion is direct control over the mother's body and what she can do with it. It would be the same as me going over the bathoom and masturbating and getting thrown in jail over it.

 

 

"You would agree that the government would have all the rights in the world to protect a fetus provided it is a human being, correct"?  It is the anti-abortionists position that the fetus is a human, so they are not advocating that the government have direct control of the women's body.  Again, would you consider it an encroachment of a person's rights if the government prevented a person from killing their six year old child?  Of course not.  Why?  Because you consider the six year old a human, and thus it has it's own rights.  And the anti-abortionists considers the fetus to be human, and thus think it has its own rights.  So, they do not advocate the idea that the government can tell you what do with your own body. 

 

Yes, however that fetus is inside of the woman and therefore you control her body and tell her what she does and doesn't. If you so want that fetus, get it out of her and support it elsewhere, but she has to have the option of not having it in her, plain and simple.

 

And to draw a comparison:

6-year-old: has legs, talks or makes sounds, comprehends surroundings, acts on stimuli based on something other than instinct, has a working brain with a measureable brainwave, conscious, has chromosomes, etc.

early fetus: clump of cells, no mobility, no brain, no consciousness, reacts based on instinct, no sounds whatsoever, poentially turns into said 6-year-old.

sperm: clump of cells, has chromosomes, mobility, no brain, no consciousness, reacts based on instinct, no speech or sounds, potentially turns into a 6-year-old.