Gallup: More Americans “Pro-Life” Than “Pro-Choice” for First Time

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appolose said:

vlad321 said:

appolose said:

vlad321 said:

No actually, still the same argument. Since sperm is still a lump of cells which are potentially human, be it man, woman, gay, straight, yellow, black, white, puple, dotted, whatever. Should the government have the control to prvent you from doing jacking off?

How is arguing about what makes a human the same as arguing anti-abortions are pro-government body control?

And, since we seem to be taking this new argument, I've already said that it's not that fetuses are potentially human, it's that they are human.  I do not consider sperm to be human, despite their potential.

 Edit: Just saw your edit.

 

See you are the one that chcanges the argument, not I. If you wanna go down that path however, how is sperm different than a fertalized egg? It's got the outside shell, it's got chromosomes, it moves, it responds to stimuli, it moves around even! That's more than a fertalized egg can do for some weeks. Why should government take control of a woman's body just because she has something that does even less than sperm in her?

 

 How did I change the argument?  You asked me if I considered sperm to be human.  And, just to wrap up the previous argument, you would agree that the government would have all the rights in the world to protect a fetus provided it is a human being, correct?  If so, then you must realize that anti-abortionists are not advocating pro-government body control.

In any event, a living animal is far more animate and conscious than sperm, yet I do not consider them human.  In other words, if something is moving and responding to stimuli, it does not make it human.

No, anti-abortion is direct control over the mother's body and what she can do with it. It would be the same as me going over the bathoom and masturbating and getting thrown in jail over it.