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A lot of people on this site have become very vocal as of late against the people who defend low sales of Wii games, saying that the game can't have cost very much to develop and therefore didn't flop. This is a thread to look at both sides of this argument. First off, it's a fact, stated by many game developers, that it's a lot cheaper to develop Wii games than it is to develop HD games. Add to this fact, that despite the cost differences to begin with, HD games are usually much bigger projects (pure example, Soul Calibur IV vs Soul Calibur Legends). Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Wii games can't flop. That's not what this thread is about. So let me adress some of the games people usually bring up when they talk about Wii flops.

No More Heroes - This game is not a flop and people need to stop mentioning it in such context. Everybody involved with the development of this game has said that it was a success, it was the best sold game Suda 51 ever made, he's making a sequel for the first time ever, and they threw a party at it's sales. This game isn't a flop, and if you say it is you're only making a fool out of yourself.

Deadly Creatures - Can you say floptastic? This game can not have made a profit with the abysmal sales figures it's showing. Sad to say, because I've heard from most that it's a pretty good game.

Zack & Wiki - This game is kind of a 50-50 deal. 50% of people will say it's not a flop, while 50% of people will say it is. I'll say that it is. Capcom have clearly stated at several instances that they weren't too impressed with this game... I can very well imagine that it broke even, but I don't think it brought in much profit for Capcom. I think a lot of this is due to Capcom themselves, and mismanaged resources, but the reason for bad sales doesn't really matter, I suppose.

MadWorld - If you've played this game, you have to have noticed how low budget it is. There aren't many character models at all, the "cutscenes" are pretty much only stills, there weren't really many people working on the game... Honestly, I think the most expensive part with this entire game must've been hiring Steven Blum and John DiMaggio as voice actors. And even that can't have been very expensive...

I just want to clear up discrepancies. What games can be accepted as flops, and what games can't? There is no way in hell No More Heroes can, that's for sure. I honestly don't think MadWorld can either, for the reasons I list.

Feel free to elaborate on your opinions and such, and you can suggest games for me to add in the OP as well if you want. This is an open discussion to declare which games are flops and which games are not.