NinjaKido said:
That is by far the most annoying thing about arguing with Wii supporter , your not any better than me because you support the Wii, because I own and support a console that's in 3rd place , stop trying to claim high ground , if you want to counter argue just use logic , i'm not an idiot I'll conceede if I feel i've been beat.
Excuse me? Where did I mention the PS3. Nowhere.
I also don't claim I'm better, I just claim you have a narrowminded view on what core actually is.
It's prety clear that i'm a ps3 owner/supporter and your statement IMO was an atempt to downplay my ability to anylise the Wii's relation to core gaming , it's a tool typicaly used by Wii supporters when they are unable to make their argument convincing enough on their own. You first called me "narrow minded" ,then called my point of view "dumb" before saying anything about the topic matter , it wasn't even a conclusion(these are quotes not intepritations) if you saying your equal to me then surely you should treat me with a level of respect , as I do you.
I don't see how it's clear that you're a PS3 supporter. Anyway my statement has absolutely zero to do with the PS3 so I don't see how it's relevant. I agree my words were too harsh, however this discussion has been going on for 2 years now and it's really annoying.
I think one of the problems arise with our definitions of core titles , maybe yours differs from mine , i'm not going to call you "narrow minded" or your point of view "dumb" for that reason.
The difference between me and you is that I don't exclude any games and/or consoles from being "core". I most certainly have a different taste than most gamers, but I won't claim that other tastes are not core games.
I never excluded any games from the "core" lable , it seems we'ere on the same boat here , stop making false distinctions.
Huh, if you don't exclude games from being core, how can you at the same time say the Wii is less relevant for core gamers?
Like I said before I won't dispute the notion of the Wii being used exclusivley as core console , but like you said you use the Wii alongside other consoles 360, DS etc which all fulfil different needs,this somewhat supports the idea that the Wii is inadequet as a standalone core experience . your speaking anedotaly which pretty much means nothing , in order to proove a point we have to use to most objective information availible to us( it may not be totaly objective but it's better than anecdotes.
Time for a quote: ""it seems hard to justify using the Wii as your only core console"
Sounds pretty dismissive to me.
And yes, for ME the Wii alone would not be enough. But nor would the 360 alone.
I originaly wasn't going to elaborate on my point but then I realised I was talking about the Wii so had to , yes I agree I was very dismissive but only because I didn't originaly intend to elabourate on the point I was making.
Ok, point taken.
And please quote me properly , I never at any point said "no respect for the core gamer" , debate fairly please .
Yes Nintendo has released a fair number of core titles but that's irrelevant , the core consumer doesn't care about how many core titles Nintendo released , they care about a libary of core titles availbile to them , what they can buy . If you compare the number of core titles availble on the Wii in that period to what was availible on either the PS3/360 then I think you'll find that the Wii get's blown out of the water.
Again, you assume a certain type of gamer to be THE core gamer and a certain type of games to be THE core games. This is what's wrong with your argument and what I'm trying to tell you.
Well it's certain a core gamer exist and it's certain that core games exist , if your going to argue that my opinion of what they are is wrong then we're going to have a problem discussing.
Yes, indeed there are core gamers and core games, no issue there. It's your distinction between one or the other that's the issue. You say PS360 has undeniably more core titles. That's nonsense. PS360 has more games for A CERTAIN TYPE of gamer, but that, again, doesn't mean World of Goo is less of a core title than Gears of War.
What is also important is that there is a steady and constant flow of core titles availble to the consumer , it's not just about the total number of titles availble . This spring has seen no major 1st party offerings a fairly insignificant 3rd party offering Madworld ( which may go on to sell a million but that's irrelevant ) , when I speak of respect i'm not talking about respect in the mind but respect through action , Nintendo might very well love and adore the core gamer but their actions make them apear very neglectful.
I'm pretty sure Nintendo has released as much or more games than Microsoft and Sony, so I don't see how they should do more. That third party developers don't deliver is definitely true, but not Nintendo's fault. Besides we come back to the whole taste debate again. Q1 I bought 3 Wii games and just 1 360 game, so for ME Wii had the best Q1 lineup.
Your not getting my point , what you bought for your console is irrelevant again stop reffering to anecdotes. What Nintendo released is also irrelevant , the consumer doesn't care about how many core titles Nintendo release THEY DON'T IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING !!. What matters to any consumer (we're talking about the core gamer) is the libary availible to them in total , the Wii lacks in this department. The average customer doesn't walk into a shop and say " yes I know there are a toal of XXX Wii games but how many of them were made by Nintnendo ?"
It's also important that there is a steady and constant flow of good core titles availble to the consumer, Nintendo release alot of their big guns last year so it's hard to forsee how they are going to reproduce that consistency for this year and years to come.
This again goes to the same point that YOU THINK Wii lacks a good core library. That's fine, don't buy one. But it's NOT FACT. I would say there are certain core genres where Wii undeniably has a broader and better library than PS360. The opposite is obviously also true. It's simply a matter of taste.
Nintendo has more than enough IP yet to release and obviously sequels. I wouldn't worry about that. Plus 3rd parties are definitely stepping up. Since you like JRPGs I would say that within a year Wii is a must have for anyone that likes that genre.
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