How would you define a flop?

[Nanaki]

Bokal said:

We often see on this site threads about how a game is a flop, then goes an endless thread of "yes it is. no it isn't".

So when, for you, is a game a flop?

 

When it doesn't reach the 1M mark?

When it doesn't sell more than 1/20th of the system owner base?

When the devs don't get their money back?

When it doesn't reach expectations?

When it does sell less than the average of its genre?

 

 

1) No, some game don´t need to sell a lot, but are still taken as succes. If I remember correctly, Galactic Civilization 2 haven´t 1 mil sales, but is still succes.

2) When you have exceptional HW sales, it would be pretty hard. When you have 100m DS, only games, which sold at least 5 mil are OK?

3) Definitely. Money rules. If dev didn´t their money back, it´s bad, really bad.

4) Internet expectation? Sometimes, it´s hard. Dev expectations? Yes, if dev thinks, that game sold too bad, it´s flop. But it´s again about money.

5) Even in genres, games aren´t same. 1 mil for Final Fantasy game is bad, but for Persona game, is pretty good. Again, it´s depends, how many cost the game.

For short, IMO money are reason No. 1.