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@witeout that means the DS is still selling when it's 9 years old, i think by the time it is 7-8[xmas2011-2012] nintendo will have a DS successor, so it wont be selling much in 2013. Like i said, the GBA was on track to sell close to, if not more than ps2 but had it's life cut short by DS/PSP. The DS will have at least a 7 year life before a successor, i think it should pass 120mil in 2010, and should pass ps2 [at about 135m] by the end of 2011. Wii i think is harder to predict but at best it could be about level with DS at this time... that means it has to sell 30 million a year for the next 4 years [with 20m this year finishing] however if we are going by an "at best" estimation i reckon DS will be a further 30 million ahead of Wii at that point [also selling almost 30mil p/year] wow, if nintendo manage 60m profitable hardware sales per year for the next 4-5 years, they are going to make a sh*tload of money even without the games/extra perephrial profit.