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@soriku: they could be seen as pretty weak seeing as they were the only decent 3rd party games released in period of a year or so, or at least a pretty long time. The boom blox counter thingy on this page is exagerated, I think I read, and it hasn't even reached 500k (although it is getting a sequel). Zack and Wiki sold extremely slowly, and No More Heroes really should've done better considering how good a game it was.

Anyway I gotta go, i'll continue this discussion later :)