ZenfoldorVGI said:
Reasonable said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Tremble said:
Yeah but you cannot compare GoW2 with R2 in terms of sales. they're not playing in the same league. Only a few games can compete with it, I'm thinking about final fantasy, gran turismo and GTA. But talking about the price again, it really is a barrier. When friends come home playing ps3, I ask them if they plan to get one soon and the answer is the same: "I want one, but 400€ is way to expensive, I'm waiting for a 100-150€ price drop".
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You're right, talking about hardware, Sony price dropping hardware would increase userbase and hardware sales.
....however, comparing software between the PS3 and 360 is nearly a fair comparison.
These games were supposed to be their big holiday games, for each console. Each game hyped to hell, each game part 2 of a successful franchise.
I don't understand why you wouldn't compare these games, saleswise. They are, for all intents and purposes, the direct competitors for largest exclusive, hyped, console games this holiday season, 360 vs PS3. I can't really see an advantage Gears 2 had, besides review scores and userbase, both of which aren't huge differences, or at least aren't huge enough to account for the sales gap.
Why did Gears 2 dominate?
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Of course you can compare them, but I think you're ignorning demographics a little. 360 has roughly 1 third larger install base than PS3, however I believe 360 owners vs PS3 owners buy/play shooters to a far higher degree (i.e. the attach rate of a shooter on 360 I believe is much higher than the attach rate for a shooter on PS3). Therefore I would expect a shooter to sell far less on PS3 (even a premier one) vs 360 due to install base plus a smaller percentage of that install base having any desire to buy the game at all.
So around 10% of 360 install base bought Gears Week one while around 3.5% of PS3 install base bought RFOM2. I was expecting around 5% of PS3 install base to buy so its a little low for me but I wasn't expecting RFOM2 to see the same attach rate despite being a similar game due to owner demographics.
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So, what game genre does the PS3 demographic go crazy for, if not shooters?
I can't think of one game that I believe would flourish on the PS3 in America, that I believe would sell worse on the Xbox 360. :P
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:P yourself!
If you're that interested take a group of titles, work out attach rate during first 3 months vs install base and see if any genres score better on PS3/360 and you've got your answer. I'm not that interested myself.
My point remains the evidence is that with a smaller US install base (by around a third of 360 base), and shooters tending to sell less well on PS3 vs 360, there is no way a PS3 exclusive shooter is going to sell more in US than a 360 exclusive - unless its so out and out amazing a large proportion of 360 owners can't bare to miss it an invest in PS3s just for that title, or PS3 reaches a tipping point where it has enough strong exclusive shooters to tempt 360 owners.
In my view RFOM2 is not that compelling (nor will KZ2 be IMHO but no doubt some will argue it will be) and so long as 360 has such strong shooters its hard to imagine the core shooter crowd would feel they must have a PS3 to complete their lives with RFOM/RFOM2 and KZ2.
And that's why Gears 2 dominated plain and simple. Anyone who thought it would be otherwise (i.e. RFOM2 coming close to Gears 2 in US, or even selling more) is drinking some strange kool aid and ain't paying attention to the facts. However, the evidence does suggest that over time RFOM2 will sell well LTD as due to less shooters on PS3 the core titles sell well over time where on 360 there is so much choice titles tend to be more front loaded.
