If one Nintendo franchise had to bite it.

[Final-Fan]

The Ghost of RubangB said:

soulsamurai said:

The Ghost of RubangB said:

soulsamurai said:

The Ghost of RubangB said:
I don't see how you can say Mario kills anybody's creativity. He sure isn't slowing Nintendo down, since they're still the most innovative software developer in the world, with constant new products like Nintendogs, Brain Training, Wii Sports, Super Mario Galaxy, and Wii Fit in just a few years.

Seriously, Boo-urns.

Are nintendogs, brain training, wii sports, and wii fit platformers? No. Are they shovelware.....yes.
I have played all of those....my god yes and i regret it. All at one place. (except for brain training which i actually did at six flags) They are not good games and they don't even need an honorable mention. Everyone knows zack and wiki right? That game didn't do so well sells wise and im pretty sure Galaxies had something to do with that. Mario does not mean nintendo in general. While he may be a logo of theres he is not the company. I' am all for creativity....something mario drains.

Nintendogs, Brain Training, Wii Sports, and Wii Fit are obviously not platformers and I didn't suggest they were. My point was that whether you like them or not, they are 4 of the most innovative new games in a really long time, and they are also 4 of the most successful new games in a really long time. Nintendo's success comes directly from their creativity. And they are not shovelware when they sell like free beer. Nintendo is fully capable of simultaneously making new games in their tried and true genres and making new creative games that are like nothing else.

I' am talking about new platformer IP creativity mainly. I want to see something else being made with some good engines other then a character that has been reused for 20 years and counting. I understand he's a beloved character, but that doesn't mean make him into everything...I want to see someone other then mario doing these games. The same goes for crash bandicoot......let him DIE. Jak is dead as far as i can tell....and thank god for that. Why buy okami when something with mario in it is going to be out soon?

Oh I see.  Well if you're talking about platformers, Nintendo made some on the DS starring Yoshi, Princess Peach, Donkey Kong, and Kirby.  Wario has a platformer on the DS and a new one on the Wii.  Sadly shooters have replaced platformers as the dominant genre since the advent of the 3rd dimension.  I think all the greatest platformers are on the Virtual Console, and if you really need some 3-D platforming, your only 2 choices are Super Mario 64 and Super Mario Galaxy.

The big Nintendo platformers are mostly Mario games because ... Mario is their big platforming franchise? 

So far, soulsamurai's points seem to be:
--The Mario franchise drains creativity from platforming (by being so awesome it intimidates other developers and/or makes them copy Mario to be able to compete)
--The Mario franchise drains creativity from Nintendo (despite the fact that they've turned the entire industry upside down in the last 2-3 years, so imagine how insane things would be without Mario.  Mario is the only chance the poor fools in the rest of the industry have GOT, according to soulsamurai) 
--[edit:  removed a minor point that could have been disputed and distract from the main two points]

P.S.  Are you taking notes, RubangB?