Prices of controllers

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dgm6780 said:


@sqrl - You got a silly response because you are making baseless accusations. Why question my knowledge of the wii? I own one, but a new game nearly monthly, rent one just about every weekend, and read gaming websites daily. This debate is decided by if you agree that the Wii needs additional controllers or not.

1. startup costs would include everything needed to get started. thats not to hard to figure out. we are comparing new equipment not what might or might not be in your house.

2. I have played all of them but Wii Fit. And wii fit and guitar hero wouldnt count because this is a discussion about cost and they would actually support my side. (2 of top 10 wii games cost $100+) so we got SMG, zelda, mario kart, and brawl with good single player out of top 10. You tried to add wii sports and wii play , which screams desperation! also tried to add 2 $100 games.

3. you didnt establish anything. have YOU played wii sports or wii play?

and on your definition of extra, did you see that part right after the semi colon? it says simply additional. and the 2nd thru 4th controllers would be in addition to purchase of the wii console. do i need a post a definition of additional for you? you are playing word games, which screams of desperation.

defend your precious wii all you want, but whether you like it or not- its just as expensive as the other consoles. thats not a condemnation of the console, just a reality. as a matter of fact i like the console but arguing with someone who defends the deep single player experience of wii sports is pointless.

 

Gimme a break, I got a silly response because its the best you can muster, the whole point you're trying to make is silly.  When someone responds with a completely unrelated point as their defense THAT is desperation.  It shows that you will not engage on the point because you cannot win the point.  So you choose the alternative of avoiding it and changing the subject.

And quite clearly the Wii doesn't "need" additional controllers. I'm sure you can figure out the definition of "need" and we both know it doesn't "need" them anymore than the PS3 "needs" an HDTV or surround sound.

1) Are you trying to make my point for me?  What is "needed" is a $250 purchase of the console which comes with everything you need to utilize your wii. 

Your other statement here about existing equipment (ie TVs) is a well crafted attempt at clouding the issue, I'll give you that much.  But the fact remains that those with SDTVs can simply plug their Wii in with no concern or need to get an HDTV to enhance it.  The same is simply not true of a PS3 owner who would have a compelling reason to make that additional purchase. 

2) OK now I know you're officially over the edge of silliness, trying to tack on game prices to the price of the console startup cost is truly ridiculous.  Aside from PS3 games being more expensive than Wii games the very simple point you don't seem to understand is that there is more to the equation than price, especially with games.  The other side of this equation is value, its what you're getting for that price.  For the comparison you wheeled out you are getting far far more from what you apparently believe is some sort of minimal requirement for a Wii owner than what you get for the aproximate same price as a bare-bones PS3 owner.  The extra cash you're tacking on is actually purchasing something of value and you don't seem to be at all aware of that.

Your entire argument essentially attempts to roll all of this value up and say Wii owners must have all of these things and therefore the Wii is more expensive than the PS3.  In effect you are attempting to obfuscate the true value of a Premium Wii setup and compare it to a barebones PS3 setup in order to inflate your ego and make yourself feel better about your purchase.  You are hardly the first person to do this and you'll hardly be the last, I recognized your argument from the beginning which is precisely why I'm putting a stop to the drivil before it gets going.  Make no mistake, you're not clever, and your argument has been debunked many times before this...hell you might as well join the Flat Earth Society and skip a few steps.

3) Oh great response there.  A very intelligent "nuh uh!".  Once again you argue against pure facts and so once again I list it out for you:

1	Wii Sports	Single, Multi w/ 1 Wii-mote
2	Wii Play	Single, Multi w/ 1 Wii-mote
3	Wii Fit	Single, Multi w/ 1 Wii-Mote
4	Mario Kart Wii	Single, Online Multi w/ 1 Wii-mote
5	Super Mario Galaxy	Single Only
6	Super Smash Bros. Brawl	Single, Online Multi w/ 1 Wii-mote
7	Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games	Single, best with local multi
8	Mario Party 8	Single, best with local multi
9	The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess	Single Only
10	Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock	Single, Online Multi w/ 1 Wii-mote
11	Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree	Single
12	Super Paper Mario	Single Only

So again, even with only 1 or 2 Wii-motes Wii owners have plenty of options for local multiplayer, online multiplayer, and yes even single player games.  Its not an opinion, its an objective fact, and one you keep trying to deny despite its objectivity.

On the definition, you laughably go to the only portion of the definition that could even be argued to agree with you and you call me desperate?  Now that's funny. 

I think however you may have missed class the day definitions were explained.  You don't pick and choose a usage in between the semi-colons of a definition.  The numerical listing is a usage delimeter, the semicolons are delimeting explanations of that single usage in an attempt to convey the same idea from multiple angles.  The fact is that this definition, and your use of it, is a concession of the point on your part, and instead of just saying you chose your words poorly you instead choose to fight against even more objective facts.  Amazing.

Now weren't you threatening to provide citations of how I was ignoring facts?  Where was that at?  Didn't you claim to have even more citations available?  I'm pretty sure I directly challenged you to explicitly list those and show precisely which facts I was denying and yet you haven't...and in fact it is I who have listed the facts and citations to show where you are denying facts.  This of course speaks for itself.

What I really love is how you call me desperate for including Wii Sports and Wii Play.  The reason I love this is because if we go back to your earlier statement of:

"Out of the top selling games for the Wii - the only ones I will concede have a strong single player are Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, and Zelda. Brawl is close, so throw that in too."

And of course as you can see above if you were truly not including Wii Sports and Wii Play we then have Super Paper Mario in that top 10 list and your statement gets even more ridiculous.  So now you're either trying to move the goal posts after the fact by removing Wii Sports and Wii Play...OR you really were ignorant that SPM is a single player only game.  Both of them look bad on your part and honestly I think there is a good chance both are true.

And it goes right along with the way you ignored the list of 64 single player games (some released some upcoming) and didn't even bother to reply to the point that accompanied that list.  Instead the only point in your post that really even comes close to addressing it is this statement "arguing with someone who defends the deep single player experience of wii sports is pointless.".  Yeah I can see what you mean, arguing with someone who holds a position and supports it with facts and evidence is really pointless.  I'm glad you finally see that.

PS - @bolded, I really find it amusing that in one post you simultaneously accused me of not knowing anything about the most basic of Wii games and then also tried to imply that I was a Wii fanboy.  What makes it even funnier is that you were trying to call me desperate....come on now. People in holes should seriously stop digging.