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LudicrousSpeed said:
thismeintiel said:
Not very smart in my opinion. It most likely means that they'll be starting with Xbox One S and working their way up. It already was reported that some devs didn't like developing for Lockhart and Series X. I can't imagine 1st party studios being too happy with also having to develop for an outdated piece of tech instead of moving on to next-gen fully like most of Sony's 1st party studios are.

Well for starters it was just a rumor. Secondly lol if you don’t believe devs will be making games cross gen for years as is the case every gen.

I suppose you can chalk it up to just being a rumor, but it was put forth by someone who has contacts in the gaming industry.

And yea, there will be cross-gen games.  And they are the ones that don't look all that impressive when compared to games made with the new HW exclusively in mind.  You will be getting very similar geometry, the game running at a higher resolution/framerate, with maybe a few bells and whistles thrown in.  It will not be a night and day difference.



eva01beserk said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Again, 9th gen could be treated as the lead while scaled back ports are developed for X1. Realistically that would only be about six AAA games over two years.

However, I am starting to wonder if this means Lockhart won't happen. The X1 and X1X might stick around for a bit as budget hardware.

If so, it would be a bad idea for MS to release a new console more expensive than PS5.

On a side note I think we are seeing Sony fans actually attacking MS for supporting a console too long. Historically Sony fans did the opposite.

I have big hunch that the Lockhart is just a xbox one x slim. With rdna 2 4tflops of it could match 6tflops of gcn 

If they are changing the specs and it plays actual 9th gen Xbox content, then its a lower end console. Not a X1X slim.

But I assume the Lockhart would need to match specs of a X1X for high fidelity Xbox One backward compatibility. That would mean has lots of 4K content at launch



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goopy20 said:
Wman1996 said:
It seems their long-term plans are for Xbox to be a gaming service platform, no matter where you play. I do think this upcoming Xbox will be the last, mid-gen refreshes won't change that.
This doesn't affect me as I don't have an Xbox One, and I have no intention of getting Xbox Series X.

Kinda looks like it. It seems MS is more interested in having people play their games on Xone and budget gaming pc's than pushing the visuals of the Series X. Sounds like a bad idea, especially if Sony drops a couple of 1st party games that push gaming to a new level.

You're assuming supporting X1 and pushing graphics at the same time is mutually exclusive.

Visuals are the generally the easiest aspect to scale back, refer to Switch. You can have great looking content running on vastly inferior specs. Look at Wolfenstein II on X1X vs Switch. Somehow that great looking shooter works on a portable with a small fraction of power.

Am I the only one thinking about existing comparisons?



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thismeintiel said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Well for starters it was just a rumor. Secondly lol if you don’t believe devs will be making games cross gen for years as is the case every gen.

I suppose you can chalk it up to just being a rumor, but it was put forth by someone who has contacts in the gaming industry.

And yea, there will be cross-gen games.  And they are the ones that don't look all that impressive when compared to games made with the new HW exclusively in mind.  You will be getting very similar geometry, the game running at a higher resolution/framerate, with maybe a few bells and whistles thrown in.  It will not be a night and day difference.

The most impressive launch game this gen was Ryse and gameplay/design was it was all possible on last gen hardware. In fact it originated as a Kinect title. There was nothing particularly special about Killzone 7 or Knack. DR3 had an impressive number of zombies on screen considering the scope of the game and the detail but it was nothing jaw dropping. I don’t remember Forza 5 being anything more than a prettier Forza.

It takes a year or two for truly impressive stuff to start to show and hey in a year after launch this supposed ban on XSX exclusives will be lifted so, yay? Also I’m not sure why this is news, MS has been saying this for awhile. 

PS5 and XSX launch will be full of prettier versions of the same stuff we can play right now, even the exclusive stuff. Same as almost every gen. In fact, when was the last time something truly mind blowing launched with a console? Halo? Geometry and design wise it blew the previous gen away and then it also had incredible AI. 

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eva01beserk said:
Mr Puggsly said:

There were new IPs and more importantly something big happen near the end of the 8th gen, numerous studios being purchased. Some of which that have experience making AAA games.

That and Game Pass became a thing. A service that thrives on new content to gain subscribers.

Hence, we wait and saw things happen.

A lot of things have happened then and you telling me none of it came to fruittion and we are still waiting until 9th gen to see if it will show any possitive result? 

I don't get your thinking here. Maybe elaborate.



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Mr Puggsly said:
eva01beserk said:

A lot of things have happened then and you telling me none of it came to fruittion and we are still waiting until 9th gen to see if it will show any possitive result? 

I don't get your thinking here. Maybe elaborate.

How about this. How long do we keep waiting? 



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Imagine if Horizon 2 was announced as a cross gen game releasing in 2021. That would severely cripple the hype I have for it and I'm sure many feel the same way. The same people in here defending MS cross gen strategy, would absolutely shred Horizon 2 if it was cross gen, and for good reason.

Halo: Infinite is one thing, since it was originally slated for the Xbox One, but you're telling me in 2021, AAA titles from XGS will be designed with the XOne as the baseline? Aren't we supposed to be seeing a huge leap in the CPU? Scaling a game graphically is one thing, game design is a whole other story.

I can understand yearly titles like MLB or FIFA, smaller AA titles, or third party games, to be cross gen for a few years, but tethering AAA titles to last generation hardware, especially internal studios from Sony/MS, would be depressing, considering how first party studios usually push console hardware to its limit.



thismeintiel said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Well for starters it was just a rumor. Secondly lol if you don’t believe devs will be making games cross gen for years as is the case every gen.

I suppose you can chalk it up to just being a rumor, but it was put forth by someone who has contacts in the gaming industry.

And yea, there will be cross-gen games.  And they are the ones that don't look all that impressive when compared to games made with the new HW exclusively in mind.  You will be getting very similar geometry, the game running at a higher resolution/framerate, with maybe a few bells and whistles thrown in.  It will not be a night and day difference.

You ignore exceptions I think.

Battlefield 4 and CoD:AW had significant disparities visually between gens. Textures, geometry, effects, etc. These were impressive looking games at the time, period.

Rise of the Tomb Raider and Forza Horizon 2 had very different visuals between gens. They weren't using the same assets. Geometry was very different as well.

Witcher 2 on 360 lowered the geometry and pretty much everything else.

A more recent example is Dragon Quest on Switch. Much like Witcher 2 on 360, geometry was lowered along with many other effects and assets.

Its worth noting sometimes games have had lower quality assets and effects for a reason, better performance and resolution.

MGSV for example did have assets very similar to 7th gen, but maintained a high resolution with 60 fps.

CoD keeps boosting visually quality while compromising performance and resolution. Its barely a 60 fps game unless you have X1X and Pro.

BF games have great resolution, performance and assets, but the pop in is jarring.

There are many examples I could make but I think thats enough.



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eva01beserk said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I don't get your thinking here. Maybe elaborate.

How about this. How long do we keep waiting? 

For 9th gen stuff? Maybe during the 9th gen.

MS has increased their 1st party studios significantly, so content must be coming. Maybe E3 is something we can wait for in the near future.



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I'd expect that the lead platform will change after the first wave of exclusives have released. Halo infinite was originally announced only for the Xbox One afterall. Hellblade 2 looked dreadful. Did you see that reveal? 900p anyone?