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Nuvendil said:
For the love of...

Can we get ONE effing month where the thread doesn't go to utter shit?!

Yes, once people stop feeling the need to discredit successful products by making arbitrary excuses of why they are successful.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Bofferbrauer2 said:
Megiddo said:

Do you happen to have a list of those games released physically/retail for the Switch between Odyssey and Kirby? I'd like to read up on them and why I've never heard of barely any of them.

EDIT: I found this list but it doesn't seem comprehensive?

Maybe this thread could help you: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=231643&page=1#

It's only as far as VGC is in terms of software, but otherwise very complete

This list was most helpful. Thank you very much. There certainly are a lot of Switch games that I never heard of but I'm surprised at the number of indie titles that I have heard of which received a physical retail release.



Megiddo said:

What commercially successful game has the Switch had that released in 2018? DQ Builders flopped mightily. AoT 2 is far below the first game's sales. Bayo 1+2's arguably the years best performer before Kirby, no? And that did... middling, at best, would you say?

This is what i mean, you are just making up a random critera as you go.

No games in the last 3-6 months and 3rd parties dont count because Nintendo games sell better and now its no other games sold really well this quarter which is irrelevent because those games exist regardless of their sales.

You came in here to discredit the game and will make up any reason to support your made up conclusion.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

The thing is, that's been my criteria the entire time. And there hasn't been a counterpoint stated the entire time. Deflection, sure, but no counterpoint.

zorg1000 said:

You originally said that Kirby is doing so well because its the only worthwhile Switch game in the last 3-6 months which is simply a false statement because Switch has recieved a large number of critically/commercially successful games in that time frame.


Now that you have said this, it is up to you to actually prove your point. So I will ask again, other than Kirby, what commercially successful game has the Switch received in the last 3 months? Or will you admit that you lied in above quote?



Megiddo said:

The thing is, that's been my criteria the entire time. And there hasn't been a counterpoint stated the entire time. Deflection, sure, but no counterpoint.


Now that you have said this, it is up to you to actually prove your point. So I will ask again, other than Kirby, what commercially successful game has the Switch received in the last 3 months? Or will you admit that you lied in above quote?

Youre switching criteria again, you said 3-6 months earlier and now its 3 months, also i said critically/commercially, not just commercially.

In the 6 months preceding the release of Kirby (mid-Sept to mid-March) Switch got a alot of games thay were either a critical or commercial success.

Pokken Tournament

Fire Emblem Warriors

Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2

Stardew Valley

FIFA

Mario Odyssey

DOOM

LA Noire

Skyrim

Rocket League

Resident Evil Revelations 1+2

Steamworld Dig 2

Xenoblade Chronicles 2

Dragon Quest Builders

Bayonetta 2

Celeste

Super Meat Boy

Fe

Outlast

Enter the Gungeon

Axiom Verge

Payday 2

 

Im probably missing a bunch of others as well. Its stupid to say Kirby only did well because of lack of games when Switch has gotten a steady flow of new titles since launch.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

I'm not switching anything. I already told you the 6 months is in reference to considering POST KIRBY release as well.

To spell it out for you.

4 months prior to Kirby + 2 months post Kirby = 6 months where there's Kirby and Labo.

You were the one who said LAST 3-6 months. If you can't actually remember what my original post was, here it is.

"I have to imagine that usually Kirby isn't the only Nintendo game that has been released in a 4-6 month window. That sure helps when there's so few other games to buy. "

Do you note that I say 4-6 month window? I never said "last" 3/4-6 months. That's an error in reading comprehension.

So you consider Payday 2 for switch a commercial success then? I don't recall seeing it in the February NPD but I will definitely be keeping track of its performance on March NPD to see how successful it is.



Megiddo said:
I'm not switching anything. I already told you the 6 months is in reference to considering POST KIRBY release as well.

To spell it out for you.

4 months prior to Kirby + 2 months post Kirby = 6 months where there's Kirby and Labo.

You were the one who said LAST 3-6 months. If you can't actually remember what my original post was, here it is.

"I have to imagine that usually Kirby isn't the only Nintendo game that has been released in a 4-6 month window. That sure helps when there's so few other games to buy. "

Do you note that I say 4-6 month window? I never said "last" 3/4-6 months. That's an error in reading comprehension.

So you consider Payday 2 for switch a commercial success then? I don't recall seeing it in the February NPD but I will definitely be keeping track of its performance on March NPD to see how successful it is.

I dont recall you ever saying anything about post-launch to me, you literally just said 4-6 month window, how in the hell was i supposed to know that meant 4 months prior+2 months post? Thats not poor reading comprehension, thats poor explaining what youre talking about.

 

Payday 2 may have scored worse than i thought, still if you can only nitpick 1 of 20+ games that i listed than i made my point.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Most of your list was indies or wasn't released in 2018. I picked the one title released in 2018 that wasn't an indie and that I didn't already dismiss due to poor or middling sales (DQ Builders and Bayo 1+2).

As far as the post-launch, read this post and see if you can figure out where I explain that I'm talking about post-launch for Kirby for the 6 month period. I'll give you a hint, it's when I talk about COMG preorder list and there being nothing on there besides Labo: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8767179

Last edited by Megiddo - on 02 April 2018

Megiddo said:
Most of your list was indies or wasn't released in 2018. I picked the one title released in 2018 that wasn't an indie and that I didn't already dismiss.

As far as the post-launch, read this post and see if you can figure out where I explain that I'm talking about post-launch for Kirby for the 6 month period. I'll give you a hint, it's when I talk about COMG preorder list and there being nothing on there besides Labo: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8767179

Once again changing criteria, indies dont count and neither do Nov/Dec games.

I bet next you will say remasters dont count, then it will be late ports followed by Japanese games, followed by multiplats, etc.

You have given such a narrow criteria of what counts.

 

Ok i see now, regardless there is alot of content released in Q1/Q2 of 2018, games are games and you cant say a game sold well because of lack of games when there is a consistent flow of games releasing around it.

Kirby sold well because its a popular franchise on a popular platform and people wanted to play it. People dont spend $60 on games they have no interest in.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

I mean, if you have proof of an indie game released in 2018 that's a commercial success go ahead and post it. Usually indies aren't sold at retail as they typically have a much lower price and are sold digitally. Of course November games don't count. That would have made the window I was referring to 5-7 months instead of 4-6. You can't just grow the window like that just because that's when the Switch last had commercially successful games released.