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ZenfoldorVGI said:
NJ5 said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
I really like how Ubisoft is treating PC gamers lately. They're an independent bunch, and ubisoft is like the lone sheriff in the old west, trying to fight the tide of thieves and criminals.

World of Warcraft requires you to always be online, and it didn't hurt it too much, did it?

I think when you have so many pirates like you do with PC gaming, you need to combat them, and this is where it has always been headed, really. Did no one else realize that?

Saying WoW requires online is like saying breathing requires being alive. If you're not online, what's the point in playing an MMO?

As for your last paragraph... I bet pirates will be able to pirate the game anyway (as always happens).

 

You can't pirate WoW. If ubisoft made all games have the login requirements of a MMO, then you shouldn't be able to pirate them either. If ubi is going this far they should at least make sure that folks can't pirate the games. If not, it's useless.

Also, in my first paragraph, I meant to say I like how Ubisoft is treating Pirates, not PC gamers, brainfart. :P

WoW is harder to pirate because the core functionality of the game requires being online (interacting with other players, and accessing all kinds of content which is not available offline).

That's not the case for most games, such as AC2. In this case, the requirement of being online is purely for the sake of verification, hence much easier for crackers to remove (as removing it won't affect the core gameplay).

 



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ZenfoldorVGI said:
NJ5 said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
I really like how Ubisoft is treating PC gamers lately. They're an independent bunch, and ubisoft is like the lone sheriff in the old west, trying to fight the tide of thieves and criminals.

World of Warcraft requires you to always be online, and it didn't hurt it too much, did it?

I think when you have so many pirates like you do with PC gaming, you need to combat them, and this is where it has always been headed, really. Did no one else realize that?

Saying WoW requires online is like saying breathing requires being alive. If you're not online, what's the point in playing an MMO?

As for your last paragraph... I bet pirates will be able to pirate the game anyway (as always happens).

 

You can't pirate WoW. If ubisoft made all games have the login requirements of a MMO, then you shouldn't be able to pirate them either. If ubi is going this far they should at least make sure that folks can't pirate the games. If not, it's useless.

Also, in my first paragraph, I meant to say I like how Ubisoft is treating Pirates, not PC gamers, brainfart. :P

You don't see the fault in your logic? WoW MUST be online, or it wouldn't be WoW or MMO.

AC2 gains nothing by being online only. Infact, online only severely ruins the game.



ChichiriMuyo said:
Miguel_Zorro said:
Rath said:
specialops787 said:
Rath said:
specialops787 said:
of course piracy decreases sales. they don't need to prove that fact.

Yes you do =/ studies have shown that piracy doesn't decrease sales...

Also I wonder how long before companies realise that PC gamers can get around any of these measures eventually and that all this will do is fuck off the people who legitimately buy the game.

If I go out and pirate Spore instead of buying it, I just decreased their sales. I stole it instead of buying it. 

Now if you want to argue that the people pirating would never have bought the game, then file. It doesn't decrease sales in that respect. It is, however, still illegal. If the game companies don't do anything about it, then the government should.

You may think its that simple but its not. Piracy has positive impacts on the level of sales through diffusion of information, this along with the fact that pirates are also generally the people who purchase the most games/music/movies overall (pirate before purchase seems to be a fairly significant thing) seems to balance out the amount of sales lost through piracy. There have been massive studies done on the effect of piracy on the music industry and they mostly reach the same conclusion.

Just saying that logically it should cause impacts on sales doesn't mean it does. But yes, it is still illegal and morally wrong to pirate - I'm not disputing that.


Do you have links to any of these studies that you can share?  Thanks.

I know you weren't talking to me, but here are three sources that back up the claim he makes, none of which are the same (and the one from the Post actually mentions multiple studies):

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=243454&start=0

http://www.thebookseller.com/news/99958-toc-piracy-may-boost-sales-research-suggests.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A34300-2004Mar29?language=printer

These were all really easy to find on Google, the Internet's simplest of tools.

Spare the attitude next time.



daggy said:

How about the third option: Make good games and sell what PC gamers want?

PC gaming has been increasing well, and right now there are more game developers on PC than in all consoles combined. Indie games (which are mostly single-player) are rising extremely fast on PC.

You dont really believe that do you? No matter how good a game is, if people can get it for free by pirating it most of them will.

And again this kind of system could eventually work. If they program PC version to get tiny parts of the game online during gameplay, it would be as piracy proof as WoW.



AnthonyW86 said:

I'm actually with Ubi on this 100%. I actually expected this kind of system to pop up years ago. Because if this works it could stop piracy, and that means finally more real PC games. Let's get some facts straight here:

Every single person with a capable gaming PC has an internet connection, so no problem there.
Games like WoW require you to be online to play aswell, and nobody complaints there.

Because let's face it, piracy has gone over the top. We al saw the estimates from bittorent from last year and that was just a fraction of the problem. Again don't blame this on Ubisoft, blame it on the people pirating games!

I really think we've reached a threshold here, and there are only two options left for alot of game developers: Get this or a similair system to try and stop piracy, or mostly abandon PC gaming.

As has already been said, no one has proven there is a negative impact from piracy and the reason they haven't is because they can't.  If they could, they would.  Statistical data on piracy would be everywhere, the math would be testable, and the results would be reproducable.  The fact is, though, that piracy has a statistically insignificant impact on their business.  Most people who pirate would love it if they could afford to buy legitimate copies, they don't because they can't. 

Do take note, that they are also using this system to stop used sales.  What they are doing is fighting tooth and nail to show some kind of improved profit margin.  They do not care if you buy their game legitimately or not, they care if they get the money for it.  They hate used sales just as much as piracy and this is a mover to fight used sales just as much as it is to fight piracy. 

If they get their way they actually won't have any impact on pirates, since the game can be hacked to avoid the security altogether, but it will have a severe impact on people who buy games second-hand.  What they are really doing is squeezing the middle market, which will only have the effect of making used buyers in to new buyers or pirates.  This is not something that deserves praise.

Hell, the fact that people actually think this move is about piracy is laughable.  They can't kill piracy, they know it, and you'd have to be completely naive to think this will slow the pirates down even one bit.  This is about the used market, and you're going to miss it when it is gone.  Trust me.



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daggy said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:

I really like how Ubisoft is treating PC pirates lately. They're an independent bunch, and ubisoft is like the lone sheriff in the old west, trying to fight the tide of thieves and criminals.

World of Warcraft requires you to always be online, and it didn't hurt it too much, did it?

I think when you have so many pirates like you do with PC gaming, you need to combat them, and this is where it has always been headed, really. Did no one else realize that?

Are you seriously comparing a games like AC2 ,which don't need to be online, to an MMOG?!

lol, I always like that. You can't believe that I'm "actually" doing something.

Anyway, no, I didn't "actually" do what you thought, you misunderstood I guess.

I was saying that WoW can't be pirated because of the same online requirement, but it is still very successful and played all the time.

So, in theory, if you just take the login from a game like WoW and move it to EVERY game, then you couldn't pirate ANY game, and the games could still be very successful and played all the time. Right? MMO's just place strict requirements on gamers. They don't deliver a better experience, necessarily, nor do they have a greater draw in theory than any other game, so if gamers are willing to meet those requirements there, why not with all games?

This is apparently what Ubisoft thinks too. I know one thing, it'll prevent piracy at least. If nothing else, it's worth a try.



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i actually blame pirates for this



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for every anti-piracy hardware they'll produce chips and fake bios
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Zen - Wow has been pirated many, many times. Clone servers have been put up, allowing people to play their pirated copies 100% for free. You have to be incredibly naive to think the devs/publishers have a shot in hell at stoping piracy.

Miguel - I'll spare the attitude if you stop being lazy. All the information in the world at your finger tips and you want people to post sources on wide-spread information? Come on, dude.



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NJ5 said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
NJ5 said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
I really like how Ubisoft is treating PC gamers lately. They're an independent bunch, and ubisoft is like the lone sheriff in the old west, trying to fight the tide of thieves and criminals.

World of Warcraft requires you to always be online, and it didn't hurt it too much, did it?

I think when you have so many pirates like you do with PC gaming, you need to combat them, and this is where it has always been headed, really. Did no one else realize that?

Saying WoW requires online is like saying breathing requires being alive. If you're not online, what's the point in playing an MMO?

As for your last paragraph... I bet pirates will be able to pirate the game anyway (as always happens).

 

You can't pirate WoW. If ubisoft made all games have the login requirements of a MMO, then you shouldn't be able to pirate them either. If ubi is going this far they should at least make sure that folks can't pirate the games. If not, it's useless.

Also, in my first paragraph, I meant to say I like how Ubisoft is treating Pirates, not PC gamers, brainfart. :P

WoW is harder to pirate because the core functionality of the game requires being online (interacting with other players, and accessing all kinds of content which is not available offline).

That's not the case for most games, such as AC2. In this case, the requirement of being online is purely for the sake of verification, hence much easier for crackers to remove (as removing it won't affect the core gameplay).

 

Good point. Maybe they should stream some of the code for the actual game during gameplay. That would piss you off more, probably, but it would take a while to crack.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

AnthonyW86 said:

I'm actually with Ubi on this 100%. I actually expected this kind of system to pop up years ago. Because if this works it could stop piracy, and that means finally more real PC games. Let's get some facts straight here:

Every single person with a capable gaming PC has an internet connection, so no problem there.
Games like WoW require you to be online to play aswell, and nobody complaints there.

Because let's face it, piracy has gone over the top. We al saw the estimates from bittorent from last year and that was just a fraction of the problem. Again don't blame this on Ubisoft, blame it on the people pirating games!

I really think we've reached a threshold here, and there are only two options left for alot of game developers: Get this or a similair system to try and stop piracy, or mostly abandon PC gaming.

Im with you and Ubisoft 100% on this.

The article gave conditions like gaming laptops where you may not have an internet connection. However thats BS because you'd burn through your battery in less than 90 minutes playing off battery and usually where theres a power source theres an internet connection. If not, how many people won't have a 3G mobile or better within a couple of years? So when you run inside to plug it in, you've got internet back to save woohoo!

The DRM here really is the placement of saved games online. That means you can pirate the game, break the authentication but it won't help because you can't save the game. So sure, you can argue about 'downloading to test' the games and be 100% right whether the intentions there to buy or not because it effectively renders an offline version as an unlimited demo.

I would personally prefer an unobtrusive DRM like this over CD-checks, cracks etc and if the piracy issue can be solved I can return to gaming full time on my PC because I will know all the games I could ever want will be day and date releases with consoles. I think anyone who wants a return to the glory days of PC gaming ought to support this. I want the PC games to actually have value, rather than just feeling like im a douche for actually paying for them when nobody else does.



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