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jarrod said:
Boneitis said:
jarrod said:
Boneitis said:
jarrod said:
Boneitis said:

@ jarrod
Releasing MW on the Wii now was probably a lot cheaper than releasing it at the time of the original launch. And its still getting pretty strong sales without wasting money on advertising.

So was money left on the table? Maybe not. Will people buy MW2 on the Wii even if its a couple years late? Definitely.

It's damaged the brand potential on Wii, and assuredly sold less thanks to how it's been handled (zero promotion, 2 years late).  Hell, Activision didn't even have official media before the game actually released, press had to rely on devteam/tester leaks.

Had they released MWR "on time", it wouldn't have needed extra advertising (it'd have shared the same massive promotional push the HD versions enjoyed), and it probably would've sold 3+ times as much.  And we'd probably have (in turn) seen WOW triple it's sales, and MW2 on Wii this year bringing in extra millions as well.  Money left on the table, missed opportunity, whatever you want to call it....


I don't think there's much of an audience for CoD on the Wii. Atleast compared to HD consoles.

Eitherway, they must be making plenty given how little they put into it.

Well, now there isn't, no.  That's sort of the point, Activision didn't cultivate that audience like they did with GH.

Well I'm saying sales wouldn't be much different even if it was launched with HD consoles. You disagree, I guess we can end on that.

Sales wouldn't be better if MWR released 2 years ago with actual advertising?  Seriously?!  Are you high?

Oddly enough, I think sales would have been about the same.

And don't you think the hype of MW2 is helping the sales of MWR? It may not be the same game, but its the closest thing Wii owners have and they're buying it.



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Boneitis said:
jarrod said:
Boneitis said:
jarrod said:
Boneitis said:
jarrod said:
Boneitis said:

@ jarrod
Releasing MW on the Wii now was probably a lot cheaper than releasing it at the time of the original launch. And its still getting pretty strong sales without wasting money on advertising.

So was money left on the table? Maybe not. Will people buy MW2 on the Wii even if its a couple years late? Definitely.

It's damaged the brand potential on Wii, and assuredly sold less thanks to how it's been handled (zero promotion, 2 years late).  Hell, Activision didn't even have official media before the game actually released, press had to rely on devteam/tester leaks.

Had they released MWR "on time", it wouldn't have needed extra advertising (it'd have shared the same massive promotional push the HD versions enjoyed), and it probably would've sold 3+ times as much.  And we'd probably have (in turn) seen WOW triple it's sales, and MW2 on Wii this year bringing in extra millions as well.  Money left on the table, missed opportunity, whatever you want to call it....


I don't think there's much of an audience for CoD on the Wii. Atleast compared to HD consoles.

Eitherway, they must be making plenty given how little they put into it.

Well, now there isn't, no.  That's sort of the point, Activision didn't cultivate that audience like they did with GH.

Well I'm saying sales wouldn't be much different even if it was launched with HD consoles. You disagree, I guess we can end on that.

Sales wouldn't be better if MWR released 2 years ago with actual advertising?  Seriously?!  Are you high?

Oddly enough, I think sales would have been about the same.

And don't you think the hype of MW2 is helping the sales of MWR? It may not be the same game, but its the closest thing Wii owners have and they're buying it.

No, I don't think it's helping it, if anything it reinforces the superiority in the HD model for established COD fans (why buy that 2 year old game, get the new sequel instead!).  And I think a potential MW2R would be doing dramatically better in it's place had Activision handled the IP properly.



jarrod said:
Boneitis said:
jarrod said:
Boneitis said:
jarrod said:
Boneitis said:
jarrod said:
Boneitis said:

@ jarrod
Releasing MW on the Wii now was probably a lot cheaper than releasing it at the time of the original launch. And its still getting pretty strong sales without wasting money on advertising.

So was money left on the table? Maybe not. Will people buy MW2 on the Wii even if its a couple years late? Definitely.

It's damaged the brand potential on Wii, and assuredly sold less thanks to how it's been handled (zero promotion, 2 years late).  Hell, Activision didn't even have official media before the game actually released, press had to rely on devteam/tester leaks.

Had they released MWR "on time", it wouldn't have needed extra advertising (it'd have shared the same massive promotional push the HD versions enjoyed), and it probably would've sold 3+ times as much.  And we'd probably have (in turn) seen WOW triple it's sales, and MW2 on Wii this year bringing in extra millions as well.  Money left on the table, missed opportunity, whatever you want to call it....


I don't think there's much of an audience for CoD on the Wii. Atleast compared to HD consoles.

Eitherway, they must be making plenty given how little they put into it.

Well, now there isn't, no.  That's sort of the point, Activision didn't cultivate that audience like they did with GH.

Well I'm saying sales wouldn't be much different even if it was launched with HD consoles. You disagree, I guess we can end on that.

Sales wouldn't be better if MWR released 2 years ago with actual advertising?  Seriously?!  Are you high?

Oddly enough, I think sales would have been about the same.

And don't you think the hype of MW2 is helping the sales of MWR? It may not be the same game, but its the closest thing Wii owners have and they're buying it.

No, I don't think it's helping it, if anything it reinforces the superiority in the HD model for established COD fans (why buy that 2 year old game, get the new sequel instead!).  And I think a potential MW2R would be doing dramatically better in it's place had Activision handled the IP properly.

Well we don't seem to agree on anything.

Lets end on that.



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Serves me right for challenging his sales predictions!

Bet with dsisister44: Red Steel 2 will sell 1 million within it's first 365 days of sales.

it is in the top 5 preordered games on every site except gamestation and it was in my local newspaper which  explained there is a market for the mature as redsteel 2 is the 5th most preordered in europe and it could move up as tatsunoko vs capcom is released and karaoke revolution is released



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Demotruk said:
kevinrize said:
redsteel 2 is the 5th most preordered game in europe so ithink itll reach abot 600k in the first year but it might be a million

Where do you find this European pre-order chart?

in my local newspaper and sites like game,amazon whichr like 60% of the game market in europe



i bet 2 million, i take risks lol




stof said:

So I bet Chrizum that Madworld would sell 1 million in it's fist year of sales. And while there is still technically 7 weeks to go on that bet, I don't think it's going to move 600 thousand units in that time. Where did I go wrong? I thought the style would give it a broader appeal than the genre normally enjoys and the over the top nature would get it more talked about. But boy, I was wrong.

So Chriz, what shall I do as loser of the bet?

And now that I've lost that one, I'd like to make a new 1 year million sales bet. Red Steel 2.

"But Stof!" you shout, "Ubisoft themselves just cut their projection to 500,000. You really think it will sell twice what the publisher expects!?"

Yes I do. I still think that as the game that delivers on the promises made by Red Steel, it will be a major title. Red Steel sold big on promise but butchered both shooting and sword fighting.  Subsequent FPS's showed us that IR aiming can be so much better than the first Red Steel was and Sports Resort with M+ has showed us that sword fighting can actually be one of the most enjoyable gameplay experiences of all time.

Take one of the best looking Wii games, with an M+ bundle and the ability to shoot and sword fight and I think this game is going to be a legger. I think it'll push 1 million in it's first year, if not by the end of 2010. Any takers on that bet?

 

The console's audience..



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Getting Plat trophies for: Heavy Rain, Infamous, RE5,  Burnout and GOW collection once I get it.

 

I don't see stof losing this one.



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