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Millennium on 18 January 2010

Third parties only have a right to complain as long as it cannot be shown that they did not bring poor sales upon themselves. In every single case such far, that can be shown conclusively, and it is universally due to halfhearted effort in one of two areas: development or marketing. If a company actually developed and marketed a Wii game as though they took the console seriously, it would sell. Indeed, those few games that were developed and marketed in this way have sold quite well.



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jkimball on 18 January 2010

No right to complain, they can just walk away. And they are...If the trial ballon doesn't float, why go further?



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Millennium on 18 January 2010
Innervate said:

Even if Nintendo had 90% of the market share, 3rd party developers would still make up excuses to get out of their obligation to support Nintendo. They know damn well that they can succeed on the system, they just don't want to, they want the Wii to just go away. 3rd parties made it very clear they would rather accept death than support dirsuption.

They don't actually have any obligation to support Nintendo. It's just good business sense. But they don't want to abandon the graphics-are-everything development model, so they set their own games up to fail and blame Nintendo for their own problems.



Complexity is not depth. Machismo is not maturity. Obsession is not dedication. Tedium is not challenge. Support gaming: support the Wii.

Be the ultimate ninja! Play Billy Vs. SNAKEMAN today! Poisson Village welcomes new players.

What do I hate about modern gaming? I hate tedium replacing challenge, complexity replacing depth, and domination replacing entertainment. I hate the outsourcing of mechanics to physics textbooks, art direction to photocopiers, and story to cheap Hollywood screenwriters. I hate the confusion of obsession with dedication, style with substance, new with gimmicky, old with obsolete, new with evolutionary, and old with time-tested.
There is much to hate about modern gaming. That is why I support the Wii.

irstupid on 18 January 2010

so dumb developers need to shut the fuck up and grow up.

you don't blame the dvd player because your dvd didn't sell. you don't blame nbc/fox/abc/ect because your tv show is getting shitty ratings. And dont' blame a store for not stocking your game. You are in charge of making that happen.



LordTheNightKnight on 18 January 2010
couchmonkey said:
No, if the games aren't selling they're doing something wrong. "Only Nintendo games sell on Nintendo systems" is a lame excuse to cover their rears for bad decision-making.

I will say that making a hit on Wii is not going to be exactly the same as making a hit on the other consoles. A direct remake of a game like Final Fantasy XIII probably won't match the HD sales because Wii owners aren't looking for an interactive movie - type game. That doesn't mean they aren't looking for a proper sequel to Final Fantasy I or Final Fantasy IV, though.

On the other hand, with 64 million owners, I don't understand why third parties are giving us spin-offs developed by their B-teams. There are 10-million+ selling game ideas just waiting to be developed on Wii but the big companies don't even seem to be trying.

Although that doesn't seem to be all. Some seem to be at least somewhat catching on.

bmmb1 said:

Just Dance is selling - because Just Dance actually had an advertising campaign. A quite effective one. Add to THAT quite favorable user reviews, and you have a game that sells.

 Which means great word of mouth, which is how the Wii caught on with so many (though not the only reason).



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maykissthebride on 18 January 2010

Do 3rd parties have a right to complain about sales?

No. They dont.



Ail on 18 January 2010

Well you guys have the right to complain about third party support the same way they have a right to complain about sales, it's called free speach.............



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Bamboleo on 18 January 2010

3rd parties?

On the Wii?

what?



Carl on 18 January 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
Carl2291 said:
roxaskey said:
The user-submitted reviews for Just Dance are actually quite favorable.

Even then...

Would you rather Ubisoft give you Just Dance 2, or would you rather Ubisoft give you Assassin's Creed 2?

How about a new Assassin's Creed that used the Wiimote instead of shoehorning the controls, which is what converting that game to the Wii would do.

And considering the Wii party game sequel sales, it's likely Just Dance 2 isn't coming either.

I love it when im right.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=98389&page=1#



                            

LordTheNightKnight on 18 January 2010
Carl2291 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Carl2291 said:
roxaskey said:
The user-submitted reviews for Just Dance are actually quite favorable.

Even then...

Would you rather Ubisoft give you Just Dance 2, or would you rather Ubisoft give you Assassin's Creed 2?

How about a new Assassin's Creed that used the Wiimote instead of shoehorning the controls, which is what converting that game to the Wii would do.

And considering the Wii party game sequel sales, it's likely Just Dance 2 isn't coming either.

I love it when im right.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=98389&page=1#

They'd better not just make it more of the same though, or it will suffer the same fate as the other party game sequels.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs