And then, you can have a greater userbase, because 3DS can play DS games. Also, PSP2 backward compatibility is possible. I understand the point, and of course, some devs are afraid about what are you saying.

Sorry, :P.

Don't worry though. You're not the only one, ;).

When did I said that?

I never said that you said that. Its just you seem to be saying that a game will sell better on handhelds just because their more popular in japan.

psp: 14

ps3: 4

ds:  1

wii: 1

xbox360: 0

Pavolink said: M.U.G.E.N said: Pavolink said: --OkeyDokey-- said: Another Wii JRPG flop. At least Namco learned their lesson and are making Tales of Xillia for PS3. 6 Tales of Graces (Wii) テイルズオブグレイセス Namco Bandai 0.00 0.22 0.00 0.22 4 Tales of Graces f (PS3) テイルズオブグレイセス f Namco Bandai 0.00 0.31 0.00 0.31   By this numbers, Ps3 is not a good option too. cuz it outsold the wii versions LTD in a short time even tho what ps3 got was one year late port? no, ps3 is a good option 1 Final Fantasy XIII (PS3) ファイナルファンタジー XIII Square Enix 1.26 1.86 1.33 4.45 2 Shirokishi Monogatari: Inishie no Kodou (PS3) 白é¨Å½å£«ç‰©èªÅ¾ - 古の鼓動 Sony Computer Entertainment 0.25 0.36 0.15 0.76 3 Tales of Vesperia (PS3) テイルズ オブ ヴェスペリア Namco Bandai 0.00 0.35 0.00 0.35 4 Tales of Graces f (PS3) テイルズオブグレイセス f Namco Bandai 0.00 0.31 0.00 0.31 5 Demon's Souls (PS3) デモンズソウル Sony Computer Entertainment 0.53 0.26 0.16 0.95 6 Shirokishi Monogatari: Hikari to Yami no Kakusei (PS3) 白é¨Å½å£«ç‰©èªÅ¾ -光と闇の覚醒- Sony Computer Entertainment 0.00 0.26 0.00 0.26 7 Senjou no Valkyria: Gallian Chronicles (PS3) 戦場のヴァルキュリア Sega 0.60 0.24 0.11 0.95 8 End of Eternity (PS3) エンド オブ エタニティ Sega 0.11 0.24 0.14 0.49 9 Star Ocean 4: The Last Hope International (PS3) スターオーシャン 4 The Last Hope インターナショナル Square Enix 0.15 0.18 0.09 0.42 10 NieR RepliCant (PS3) ニーア レプリカント Square Enix 0.07 0.16 0.12 0.35 Look at this numbers and tell me if this is a good option. PS3 and Wii aren't good options as PSP&DS.

A lot of those games suck so it's not completely PS3's fault they flopped. On the other hand, Demon's Souls will be a million seller which is amazing really. ToG and ToV are the best selling Tales of games in Japan this gen. (including handhelds). And Valkyria Chronicles sold much better than its PSP sequels.

All in all, your argument fails.

--OkeyDokey-- said: Pavolink said: M.U.G.E.N said: Pavolink said: --OkeyDokey-- said: Another Wii JRPG flop. At least Namco learned their lesson and are making Tales of Xillia for PS3. 6 Tales of Graces (Wii) テイルズオブグレイセス Namco Bandai 0.00 0.22 0.00 0.22 4 Tales of Graces f (PS3) テイルズオブグレイセス f Namco Bandai 0.00 0.31 0.00 0.31   By this numbers, Ps3 is not a good option too. cuz it outsold the wii versions LTD in a short time even tho what ps3 got was one year late port? no, ps3 is a good option 1 Final Fantasy XIII (PS3) ファイナルファンタジー XIII Square Enix 1.26 1.86 1.33 4.45 2 Shirokishi Monogatari: Inishie no Kodou (PS3) 白é¨Å½å£«ç‰©èªÅ¾ - 古の鼓動 Sony Computer Entertainment 0.25 0.36 0.15 0.76 3 Tales of Vesperia (PS3) テイルズ オブ ヴェスペリア Namco Bandai 0.00 0.35 0.00 0.35 4 Tales of Graces f (PS3) テイルズオブグレイセス f Namco Bandai 0.00 0.31 0.00 0.31 5 Demon's Souls (PS3) デモンズソウル Sony Computer Entertainment 0.53 0.26 0.16 0.95 6 Shirokishi Monogatari: Hikari to Yami no Kakusei (PS3) 白é¨Å½å£«ç‰©èªÅ¾ -光と闇の覚醒- Sony Computer Entertainment 0.00 0.26 0.00 0.26 7 Senjou no Valkyria: Gallian Chronicles (PS3) 戦場のヴァルキュリア Sega 0.60 0.24 0.11 0.95 8 End of Eternity (PS3) エンド オブ エタニティ Sega 0.11 0.24 0.14 0.49 9 Star Ocean 4: The Last Hope International (PS3) スターオーシャン 4 The Last Hope インターナショナル Square Enix 0.15 0.18 0.09 0.42 10 NieR RepliCant (PS3) ニーア レプリカント Square Enix 0.07 0.16 0.12 0.35 Look at this numbers and tell me if this is a good option. PS3 and Wii aren't good options as PSP&DS. A lot of those games suck so it's not completely PS3's fault they flopped. On the other hand, Demon's Souls will be a million seller which is amazing really. ToG and ToV are the best selling Tales of games in Japan this gen. (including handhelds). And Valkyria Chronicles sold much better than its PSP sequels. All in all, your argument fails.

So on the one hand, "a lot of those games suck", but on the other hand, the fact that Graces had a game killing bug should be ignored.

Since so far no recent Tales games have made it out of Japan, you need to look at Japan numbers only (which was Pavolink's point), not WW numbers, so saying that Demon's Soul numbers are amazing is wrong.

Regarding "PS3 still has 5 years" while handhelds are soon to change generation, doesn't matter in any way since jrpgs are very much front loaded, especially in Japan.

IF there is a lesson to be learned it is that JRPGs should either be on one of the handhelds (where they would sell much more, not to mention development costs would be much lower) or should be multiplatform Wii and PS3. That is the true lesson. Despite a game kiling bug on the Wii version and their respective publishing timing, Graces versions together have sold 530k in Japan only.

Graces wouldn't have sold that much on the Wii if it had been released simultinously with the PS3 release, and the mothership title's that where released during the prime-time of the DS life cicle sold about 250k and got a heavy price-cuts to reach those numbers. Far from great which shows that the Tales of fanbase in Japan prefers to play there games on a home console and are more associated with the playstation family.

Vesperia PS3 also hasn't been updated for years on VGchartz. Media-create april numbers had it at 363k and more recently dengeki sales that dated from november had it at 393k, almost the same what the port of Symphonia did during it's first release on the PS2.

The original release of Graces F (not including "the best" version) when everything is said and done will also sell 350-400k.

Wow, only 45 points for TLS.

They should've made it for the PS3, it would have sold better.

Dude, it's a Nintendo IP - a big no, no on the PS3. And yes, the game should get better.