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disolitude on 03 December 2009
CGI-Quality said:
coolbeans said:
CGI-Quality said:
Kantor said:
disolitude said:
Were you making these threads last year when Gears 2 was the king?

Why would he? He has no interest in Gears. He doesn't even own a 360.

Beyond that, at that time, many sites and gamers alike thought MGS4 was the "graphical King".

You sure? Yeah sites still give the credit for having some of the best (the best last year) animations on consoles but technically I've seen more that dive into the comparison to find Gears 2 better.

It received more awards for best graphics from sites, apparently. How do i feel, I call them even. But, even at the main award's show, it was nominated for best graphics (MGS4).

Regardless, what happened in 2008 is irrelevant.

People are saying that I am not contributing to the graphics talk... so I'll start ehre.

MGS4 is not anywhere clsoe to the best looking game on any close. The engine for that game is seriously underdeveloped.

The game runs in 1024x768 native resolution which is lower than the usual 1280x720 resolution most console gams run today. The draw distance in the game is pathetic as cliffs and walls limit the view in order to keep a decent frame rate. Speaking of frame rate, its supposd to be locked at 30 but it dips in to low 20s in intense battles such as the ship level.

The game has very detailed models and faces and that what make people think the game is visually impresive. Bodies disapear 30 seconds after being shot, there isn't any impressive lighting...etc. I have not seen uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 looks amazing. But MGS4 does not belong on the 10 best looking games list this gen...



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disolitude on 03 December 2009
justinian said:
disolitude said:
Kantor said:
disolitude said:
Were you making these threads last year when Gears 2 was the king?

Why would he? He has no interest in Gears. He doesn't even own a 360.

Well if he likes graphics and thinks they matter so much then he should have been praising Gears 2 last year.

For the record, I for one think Peggle is a better game that Gears 2 and MGS4 and thats why I don't make these threads...graphics and a game fun factor are completely unrelated.

OK, you don't make these threads, fair enough.

Maybe you should consider taking that further and not even bothering to post in them.

If you have nothing useful to add or are annoyed with these threads do what most intelligent people do and ignore them. It's so easy.

Bringing a game that is not even on the same console into the argument is deliberate flame.

OT: I have nothing to say on this topic.

The thread says "best grpahics on any console" and all people are mentioning are PS3 exclusives...some of which don't even need to be mentioned as they are not that impresive looking. (MGS4) If you think its wrong to mention a 360 title in a "best graphics on a console" thread...then I apologize, I didn't mean to disturb the PS3 hug fest.



disolitude on 03 December 2009
CGI-Quality said:
disolitude said:
CGI-Quality said:
coolbeans said:
CGI-Quality said:
Kantor said:
disolitude said:
Were you making these threads last year when Gears 2 was the king?

Why would he? He has no interest in Gears. He doesn't even own a 360.

Beyond that, at that time, many sites and gamers alike thought MGS4 was the "graphical King".

You sure? Yeah sites still give the credit for having some of the best (the best last year) animations on consoles but technically I've seen more that dive into the comparison to find Gears 2 better.

It received more awards for best graphics from sites, apparently. How do i feel, I call them even. But, even at the main award's show, it was nominated for best graphics (MGS4).

Regardless, what happened in 2008 is irrelevant.

People are saying that I am not contributing to the graphics talk... so I'll start ehre.

MGS4 is not anywhere clsoe to the best looking game on any close. The engine for that game is seriously underdeveloped.

The game runs in 1024x768 native resolution which is lower than the usual 1280x720 resolution most console gams run today. The draw distance in the game is pathetic as cliffs and walls limit the view in order to keep a decent frame rate. Speaking of frame rate, its supposd to be locked at 30 but it dips in to low 20s in intense battles such as the ship level.

The game has very detailed models and faces and that what make people think the game is visually impresive. Bodies disapear 30 seconds after being shot, there isn't any impressive lighting...etc. I have not seen uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 looks amazing. But MGS4 does not belong on the 10 best looking games list this gen...

Not trying to be mean but how you feel about it "not being the best looking on consoles" (which I agree with), is irrelevant because this whole subject is opinionated as is. Just thougt I throw that out there.

On another note, you bringing up what people felt in 2008 was the "best looking console game", was unnecessary. I say, let those that agree have their fun and not intentionally cause trouble.


Except my post actually brings up facts about the game and its engine and is very little opinion based.



Reasonable on 03 December 2009

Currently, technically - i.e. leaving artistic direction and the like out of it - yes, most definitely.

The draw distance, detail level, texture level, shadowing, animation, frame rate, resolution, etc. all say yes.

Right now Uncharted 2 is tops, with Killzone 2 a close second.



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Uberkiffer on 03 December 2009

Just curious, since console-exclusives on xbox360 are not "exclusive" to the xbox, does that mean that PC games are enterable into the "best graphics on a console" category? If so, crysis, right?



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KingFate on 03 December 2009

Am I the only one who thinks "Best Graphics" and "Best Engine" should be two separate categories? I mean one is based off opinion and the other is based of fact.



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Reasonable on 03 December 2009
KingFate said:
Am I the only one who thinks "Best Graphics" and "Best Engine" should be two separate categories? I mean one is based off opinion and the other is based of fact.

Well, depends what you mean by 'Graphics'.  To me that means frame rate, resolution, quality of shadows, animation, particle effects, etc. and therefore to me neither graphics nor engine are opinion based.

I think though some see 'Graphics' to mean the look, the art design, etc.  although I'd argue that is 'Artistic Direction' myself.

So, if everyone gets behind my view then graphics ain't opinions.  Alternatively if we can agree graphics means art direction then it is based on opinions to a large extent.

 



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KingFate on 03 December 2009

I have to say, that is very reasonable.(I am sorry, I couldn't resist)



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cande4me on 03 December 2009

If using frame rate, resolution, quality of shadows, animation and particle effects is the standard by which to measure, then, in my opinion, Uncharted 2 has no equal. KZ2 comes in second.

And PC doesn't count, it wouldn't be a fair fight.



SmoothCriminal on 24 March 2010

Bad Company 2, it looks amazing.