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Euphoria14 said:
People may consider game's "milked", but for me, if a game has a new sequel every 2-3 years I do not consider them milked.

Honestly, who actually enjoyed waiting 4-5 years for sequel to a game they love?




Fans of games like Final Fantasy/Kingdom Hearts, Beyond Good and Evil, and Psychonauts now how that feels.



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Boutros said:
Onyxmeth said:
This same exact argument can be used for Guitar Hero also. It still sells well and it reviews well. Is Guitar Hero being milked?

Of course it is! LOL

Guitar Hero is the perfect example of a milked franchise.

I'm questioning the reasoning given by the guy from Insomniac and a few tidbits given by members in this thread. He says Metacritic is reviewing it well, and Metacritic has Guitar Hero games reviewing well also. A member in this thread mentioned it not selling like shit and still releasing games as a reason, and that is the same for Guitar Hero. So what's the difference?

There are a ton of critically acclaimed and popular series that people claim are being milked, but what I've gathered is that people pick and choose which they consider to be milked based on their own likes and dislikes. Someone that likes Ratchet and Clank but dislikes Mario will probably see the latter as being milked and the former as not. Why? Because the latter does not interest him, making each release more grating as they come in such numerous amounts, while the former is welcomed in any dosage it can be pumped out. There's really nothing inherently different between many games people claim as being milked, they just allow their biases to come to the conclusion for them.



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Riachu said:
Euphoria14 said:
People may consider game's "milked", but for me, if a game has a new sequel every 2-3 years I do not consider them milked.

Honestly, who actually enjoyed waiting 4-5 years for sequel to a game they love?




Fans of games like Final Fantasy/Kingdom Hearts, Beyond Good and Evil, and Psychonauts now how that feels.

My goodness, the wait between KH and KH2 sucked, and now the wait between KH2 and KH3 is going to suck, next year will be 4 years. I think the difference between the first 2 was 4 years.

 

I don't enjoy waiting that long.



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Strategyking92 said:
Onyxmeth said:
This same exact argument can be used for Guitar Hero also. It still sells well and it reviews well. Is Guitar Hero being milked?

..... Yes. Hell yes.

 

Edit: when a game almost singlehandedly begins to slow down/oversaturate a genre, you know it's milked.

I would like to think the emergence of Rock Band had far more to do with the dilution of that form of rhythm game than anything else. When it was just Guitar Hero, things were going just fine. Then the fanbase split between two different franchises offering the exact same thing. Add the two back together and you get a healthier atmosphere. Hypothetically, if next year, 2K was able to make an NFL football game, and Madden's sales began to decline some, would you say Madden is diluting the genre, or the emergence of competition has split the football playing fanbase into two directions?

Secondly, there was or is no genre outside of Guitar Hero-like games. All other rhythm games are ridiculously niche. Guitar Hero-like gameplay is not the entire genre, just a subsect of it. There are plenty of other types of rhythm games out there that haven't sold much in the past and won't sell much in the future, and Guitar Hero has nothing to do with that.



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Onyxmeth said:
Boutros said:
Onyxmeth said:
This same exact argument can be used for Guitar Hero also. It still sells well and it reviews well. Is Guitar Hero being milked?

Of course it is! LOL

Guitar Hero is the perfect example of a milked franchise.

I'm questioning the reasoning given by the guy from Insomniac and a few tidbits given by members in this thread. He says Metacritic is reviewing it well, and Metacritic has Guitar Hero games reviewing well also. A member in this thread mentioned it not selling like shit and still releasing games as a reason, and that is the same for Guitar Hero. So what's the difference?

There are a ton of critically acclaimed and popular series that people claim are being milked, but what I've gathered is that people pick and choose which they consider to be milked based on their own likes and dislikes. Someone that likes Ratchet and Clank but dislikes Mario will probably see the latter as being milked and the former as not. Why? Because the latter does not interest him, making each release more grating as they come in such numerous amounts, while the former is welcomed in any dosage it can be pumped out. There's really nothing inherently different between many games people claim as being milked, they just allow their biases to come to the conclusion for them.

7 Guitar Hero games were released in 2009 alone...(including Band Hero and DJ Hero which are basically the same)

 

It's true that no one has the same definition of "milked" though.



Boutros said:
Onyxmeth said:
Boutros said:
Onyxmeth said:
This same exact argument can be used for Guitar Hero also. It still sells well and it reviews well. Is Guitar Hero being milked?

Of course it is! LOL

Guitar Hero is the perfect example of a milked franchise.

I'm questioning the reasoning given by the guy from Insomniac and a few tidbits given by members in this thread. He says Metacritic is reviewing it well, and Metacritic has Guitar Hero games reviewing well also. A member in this thread mentioned it not selling like shit and still releasing games as a reason, and that is the same for Guitar Hero. So what's the difference?

There are a ton of critically acclaimed and popular series that people claim are being milked, but what I've gathered is that people pick and choose which they consider to be milked based on their own likes and dislikes. Someone that likes Ratchet and Clank but dislikes Mario will probably see the latter as being milked and the former as not. Why? Because the latter does not interest him, making each release more grating as they come in such numerous amounts, while the former is welcomed in any dosage it can be pumped out. There's really nothing inherently different between many games people claim as being milked, they just allow their biases to come to the conclusion for them.

7 Guitar Hero games were released in 2009 alone...(including Band Hero and DJ Hero which are basically the same)

 

It's true that no one has the same definition of "milked" though.

That's nothing more than an issue of perception though. If instead of 7 games being released, every one of those songs were released as DLC instead, no one would consider the series being milked. Getting out new content is something this franchise requires. Activision has chosen a combination of retail releases and paid DLC. The method of distribution should not be a factor as to whether a series is being milked or not though.

Also, DJ Hero and Band Hero are not the same thing. Band Hero is like Guitar Hero/Rock Band. DJ Hero is it's own type of game.



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ratchet and clank is not milked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, ive owned every R&C game on every SONY console, i love the series, one of my most favorite series if not my most favorite



When I first got into R&C series I was very excited thanks to good things people told me about the series, so I got all four PS2 R&C games at once for a bargain price. I finished the first one in, like, 3-4 gaming sessions, but never finished other games despite trying really hard. Why? Don't care how many games were released till now, but how about some variety and not cosmetic changes (not just 'new weapons') when moving onto next installement? It's the same damn game over and over again. Bottomline - not sure about 'milked', but the series lacks creativity since they made the first one.



Dont like the series, but its not milked.



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