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Forums - Sales Discussion - PS3>Wii In Japan this Week, DESPITE Wii Price Cut - thoughts!!??

outlawauron on 08 October 2009
MaxwellGT2000 said:
I heard the price cut was only twenty bucks or something there... I'm guessing the hardware increased due to Wii Fit Plus and not the price cut, since 20 dollars really isn't much.

(I'm not 100% positive on the 20 dollars thing but if I remember correctly the Japan price drop was equivalent to a 20 dollar US price drop)

It was definitely a 5,000 yen cut.

The PSP is the one that got a 3,000 yen cut.

Kinda funny being that the PSP boosted a lot more.



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Soundwave on 08 October 2009

The PSP picking up steam I think bodes badly for both the Wii and PS3 actually.

The DS is going to get its share of sales, we know that, but if the PSP starts to pick up steam again, my gut feeling is it won't be long before the consoles tumble again. There's only so much disposable income to go around.

I suspect Media Create hardware will show PS3 sales down further than Famitsu for instance. 



Buzzi on 08 October 2009
Soundwave said:

 

I suspect Media Create hardware will show PS3 sales down further than Famitsu for instance. 

IMO MC will have Wii at 33k and ps3 at 35k...generally MC has Wii a little bit higer than others, and last week's ps3 numbers were lower than every other data, i think they'll be lower also this week, but not by that much.



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SciFiBoy on 08 October 2009

I have to say, so far, ive been impressed with PS3 slim sales



koffieboon on 08 October 2009
Soriku said:

From now until the end of the year:

10/29- SRW Neo,Sin and Punishment 2
11/5- Mario and Sonic
11/12- FF:CC:CB
11/19- Taiko Wii 2
12/3- Sengoku Musou 3,New Super Mario Bros
12/10- Tales of Graces

Bundles:

Sengoku Musou 3 - Dec 3
SM3 = 7,140 yen
SM3 + Wii + CCPro Bundle = 27,300 yen

Tales of Graces - Dec 10
ToG = 7,329 yen
ToG + Wii + CCPro Bundle = 27,800 yen

Colors:

Wii Remote Blue December 3rd
Wii Remote Pink December 3rd

Edit:
Taiko Drum Master 2 Wii comes out on Nov 19th and there will be a bundle with a Drum Controller.


I think Wii will be fine...

Seems like Sengoku Musou 3 would be better off if it moved up a week to 11/26.



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johnsobas on 08 October 2009

don't forget the pokemon adventure game 12/5. The wii lineup is packed this holiday season, so much better than last year.



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MaxwellGT2000 on 08 October 2009
outlawauron said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
I heard the price cut was only twenty bucks or something there... I'm guessing the hardware increased due to Wii Fit Plus and not the price cut, since 20 dollars really isn't much.

(I'm not 100% positive on the 20 dollars thing but if I remember correctly the Japan price drop was equivalent to a 20 dollar US price drop)

It was definitely a 5,000 yen cut.

The PSP is the one that got a 3,000 yen cut.

Kinda funny being that the PSP boosted a lot more.

Thanks for the correction, and yeah that's basically a 50 dollar price cut as well, I'm thinking Nintendo should do some Wii Sports + WSR bundles at the same marked down price that'd drive some sales.



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Avinash_Tyagi on 09 October 2009
ViolentPhlegm said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
ViolentPhlegm said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
@ montana, read what ioi wrote, that is all


I was just about to suggest that you should read some of ioi's posts.  ioi says price cuts move hardware.

You are alone in your opinion that they do not.


  Did you read what he said, he said that it was the slim, not the price cut that resulted in the large sales

The massive PS3 spike was DUE TO THE PS3 SLIM MODEL, not purely from a PRICE CUT. If PS3 had just had the price reduced it would have done more like 65k - 55k - 50k - 45k - 35k or whatever. OVER HALF of the intital spike was from people buying the new model.

So yeah the Idea that price cuts drive sales is not supported, first off PS3 sales had dropped off for weeks in Japan

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS3®1=Japan&cons2=PS3®2=Japan&cons3=PS3®3=Japan&start=39873&end=40083

from the low 20K's to the low thousands, so if it had been only a price cut, most of those sales would have just been people who would have bought it anyways, thy just decided to hold off until the price cut

 

Exactly.  "Not purely from a price cut".  ioi says the spike was a combination of the price cut and hardware redesign and gives us some "whatever" numbers that suggest the PS3 would have lifted to 65k from its 10k baseline and then continued to sell well for at least 5 weeks without a hardware redesign.  (I know these are just off-the-top-of-his-head numbers, not calculated but still...)

Look at ioi's graphs showing price cut effects.  They are meant to illustrate the difference between a price cut with hardware redesign vs a price cut only.  When there's a hardware redesign (like PS3 slim) with the sales cut, there's a huge spike followed by an immediate decline but still elevated sales.  When there's a price cut only, there's a milder increase but it results in a sustained lift for a long time.  This is why ioi expects Wii sales to increase next week.  It's because of the price cut and historical data shows that this usually means an increase in Week 1 followed another increase in Week 2.

You have ridiculously been arguing that price cut has NO effect.  No one believes this but you.  You also seem to think that everyone else thinks that the PS3's increases were solely due to the price cut.  No one believes that either.  Everyone else believes that there is a combination of factors (but may disagree on how much each factor contributes) and if you'd calm down and read their posts carefully, you'd see that.

You would do your credibility a favour if you did not cling to absolutes in your arguments.  There is a world of difference in saying something has little effect to saying that it has no effect.


  Except what you're missing is that people were delaying their purchase, enough to account for any boost that would have occurred from the price cut, so you wouldn't get any new purchases, just delayed purchases with a price cut only, that's why I'm saying it wouldn't have any effect, because all it did was delay people, the new Sku was what generated new sales



 

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Edouble24 on 09 October 2009

I don't think Wii > PS3 is going to be the new standard in Japan. Sony is re-branding itself and I think the slim will stick. Wii may outsell it next week but it wont be the ongoing norm like it was before. You guys get a little too upset over this stuff though, no one knows for sure what's gonna happen, no matter what occurred in the past. I bet PS3 wins a few times in Oct and even November when NSMB Wii launches(not that week though). Only time will tell.

 

Edit: Seems like Mario is in December. I'm not sure if PS3 will win that month but I think FFXIII will move more consoles than NSMB Wii. I also think FFXIII will sell a lot more than people think.



Avinash_Tyagi on 09 October 2009
Edouble24 said:

I don't think Wii > PS3 is going to be the new standard in Japan. Sony is re-branding itself and I think the slim will stick. Wii may outsell it next week but it wont be the ongoing norm like it was before. You guys get a little too upset over this stuff though, no one knows for sure what's gonna happen, no matter what occurred in the past. I bet PS3 wins a few times in Oct and even November when NSMB Wii launches(not that week though). Only time will tell.

 

Edit: Seems like Mario is in December. I'm not sure if PS3 will win that month but I think FFXIII will move more consoles than NSMB Wii. I also think FFXIII will sell a lot more than people think.

Wii's hand this holiday is just stronger, stronger games lineup and bundles, PS3 has one big game this holiday in Japan, FF13, which is already getting disappointing sales predictions from two of the major tracking firms in Japan



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)