Yeah the bolded are shovelware and so are all the games that fall under that category

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Problem is, some Sony/MIcrosoft fanboys are quite annoying, but some Nintendo fanboys are even worse... many kids these days are just too spoiled, and think the whole world turns around their very important person... "i want this, i want that, i deserve this, i deserve that"...

Or even worse: "Nintendo should do this, or do that to be successful"... as if a successful and multi-billion dollar company like Nintendo could use the "deep thoughts" of kids who couldn't manage a hot-dog stand for two weeks without going bankrupt...

Absolutely! You would have to be seriously delousional to think a series like Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Guitar Hero, Rock Band, Madden, Call of Duty, Tales of *, Final Fantasy or any other big series would think of jumping ship to a Nintendo console. No third party in their right mind would make any of the iterations of those series exclusive to the system either. It would be flushing money away. How can you expect any multiplatform game like Sonic Unleashed to ever sell more on a Nintendo platform?

Nintendo already tried the powerful core focused console (the GameCube) but it didn't work. If they did the same, would you think it would be better or worse? I think it would be the latter. Wii sold so many consoles and Ninty was able to care for BOTH casual and core gamers. I think they're doing better than ever.

I like Ninty because no matter what, they have the best first party games and I buy their consoles just for that. For Mario, Zelda and even Wii Sports is fun to play.

I really don't understand some gamers. It just seems like you hate Nintendo and nothing they would do would make you happy. Why do you bother whining all the time is boyond my comprehension. Just drop it already and play with w/e console you like.

A pretty lame rule. Critics are "core" so of course the scores are going to be low for these games. I've played all these games and the only one I'd consider shovelware is Deca Sports.

I doubt it's that easy: look at Okami. That's a high-quality, very Zelda-like, 60 hours+ epic adventure game. It wasn't exactly bought in droves by the "Zelda userbase".

Were the potential buyers thrown off by the peculiar art style? Maybe. Were its sales dampened by it being a re-release of a PS2 game? Most probably. But still, the ratio between its sales and the potential market are probably not encouraging for somone wanting to venture in the same direction. You heard the developers lamenting so many times that the Nintendo core crowd is a tough one to crack, or in lame whining terms "they only buy Nintendo games".

I think it was more that people weren't familiar with the game, playing is believing, and not many people got their hands on Okami and got to try it out, Zelda is a known commodity, Okami not so much, companies should take some of that marketing money, and just drive around in trucks showing of their games, putting controllers into the hands of people.

I qualify as a hardcore gamer, but I hate the term. I'm ashamed of HC gamers and how awful they make gamers look. How ignorant they are. How arrogant and myopic. gaming industry does not resolve around you... its for everyone

The truth is, 3rd parties have been doing fantastic on the Wii. It's just that they've done so by following the non-gamer audience that Wii is focused on. Hence the games that they sell generally are not appealing to most of the people on this forum.

And of course the notion that 3rd parties have some kind of massive conspiracy to destroy Nintendo is preposterous. I bet they all meet in an underground lair and sing odes to Sony and Microsoft while burning pictures of Mario.

Complete nonsense.

You're right, and it wasn't easier with the PS2 120 million+ userbase... and i think it did better on Wii anyway, so...

But things are what they are: some games just don't have the appeal to be mass market games... some artistic directions and level designs don't please most gamers out there, even more when it's a very japanese-oriented art direction...

And that's what i was tellin' in my first post in this thread: "niche" games will often please only 200.000 or 300.000 people... but with the very high HD dev' costs now, these "niche" games won't have the green light anymore: it's like they don't have the right to exist anymore...

And then, what would be left? FPS on one side, Nintendo games on another, and sports/music games everywhere? No room for RPGS, action/adventure, platformers, puzzle games? No originality, no new gameplay, no new controls, no new IPs, and sequels of famous franchises only, in a very risk-averse industry? This would be the day i'd quit gaming, then...