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Alby_da_Wolf said:
theRepublic said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Once I managed to install them and configured peripherals, if necessary, I even manage to have fun with PC games... Yep, I am so strange!
This said, even if I think that Malstrom every now and then is right, and he definitely is when he bashes this subset of hardcore gamers, he isn't righ a t all in general on this issue, a lot of hardcore gamers enjoy their games and have fun from them, but even more are hardcore only with some games and casual with others. And Wii didn't disrupt hardcore gaming, sorry Malstrom, Wii added a new way of gaming that can even add something new to hardcore gamers habits without negating their old loves, the only threat to hardcore games are lobotomized versions of classic hardcore titles, like the sequel to Deus Ex.

Malstrom is not saying that "hardcore" games can't be fun.  He is saying that "hardcore" gamers who think that games shouldn't be fun are nuts.

Yes, and as I wrote, maybe I didn't express myself clearly enough, this time I AGREE with Malstrom, it's just that I don't agree with his disruption theory, he tries too much to make facts square with it at all costs.

Sorry, maybe it's almost a non sequitur with the current argument, but each time I agree with Malstrom, I feel the need to specify that I don't agree with him on everything, and his attitude with Wii's success can't help making me think to a tail that tries to wag the dog    

 

Disruption is not Malstrom's theory.  Clayton Christensen came up with the theory in 1995.



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theRepublic said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

Yes, and as I wrote, maybe I didn't express myself clearly enough, this time I AGREE with Malstrom, it's just that I don't agree with his disruption theory, he tries too much to make facts square with it at all costs.

Sorry, maybe it's almost a non sequitur with the current argument, but each time I agree with Malstrom, I feel the need to specify that I don't agree with him on everything, and his attitude with Wii's success can't help making me think to a tail that tries to wag the dog    

Disruption is not Malstrom's theory.  Clayton Christensen came up with the theory in 1995.

Scott Anthony also writes a lot about disruption and in an interview he mentioned that the Wii is indeed disruptive. Seems real to me.



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Reading comprehension is at an all time low in this thread. But others have already stated it and shown the others wrong so I won't waste my breath. But, actually a very good read by Mr. Malstrom. That other blogger has lost his mind.



theRepublic said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
theRepublic said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Once I managed to install them and configured peripherals, if necessary, I even manage to have fun with PC games... Yep, I am so strange!
This said, even if I think that Malstrom every now and then is right, and he definitely is when he bashes this subset of hardcore gamers, he isn't righ a t all in general on this issue, a lot of hardcore gamers enjoy their games and have fun from them, but even more are hardcore only with some games and casual with others. And Wii didn't disrupt hardcore gaming, sorry Malstrom, Wii added a new way of gaming that can even add something new to hardcore gamers habits without negating their old loves, the only threat to hardcore games are lobotomized versions of classic hardcore titles, like the sequel to Deus Ex.

Malstrom is not saying that "hardcore" games can't be fun.  He is saying that "hardcore" gamers who think that games shouldn't be fun are nuts.

Yes, and as I wrote, maybe I didn't express myself clearly enough, this time I AGREE with Malstrom, it's just that I don't agree with his disruption theory, he tries too much to make facts square with it at all costs.

Sorry, maybe it's almost a non sequitur with the current argument, but each time I agree with Malstrom, I feel the need to specify that I don't agree with him on everything, and his attitude with Wii's success can't help making me think to a tail that tries to wag the dog    

 

Disruption is not Malstrom's theory.  Clayton Christensen came up with the theory in 1995.

It's how he forcedly applies it to Wii against HD consoles that's wrong, and to boast about he's right he ignores PC gaming too in his calculations, it's too simplistic, we perfectly know that the two worlds AREN'T independent from each other.

Actually Wii is the strongest contender, but it didn't crush the others. And it really doesn't need to, just like it doesn't need Malstrom to succeed.

 



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Kantor said:
nitekrawler1285 said:
I miss when more developers seemed to have the same idea of fun that I had. But I suppose they are businesses and games selling 10+ million selling games is more profitable than 2 or 3 million sellers. Sigh.

That's exactly the point. These "fun" games often go on to cross 10 million, and the quality "hardcore" games which of course are not fun because they don't have ponies and mushrooms and bright sunlight, sell around 3 million. The industry needs more developers who don't care about money. Like Quantic Dream. Like Naughty Dog. Like Nintendo used to be.

I'm sorry.

What?



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Wait for NSMB Wii with 4 players. Its fun will kill LBP's fun.
We had a blast when playing NSMB DS on local multiplayer here.
Yeah Nintendo did a great job with Wii Sport Resort, the game decrease your daily stress. Just the Ping pong does it.
I'm expecting cool things for Wii Fit +



Khuutra said:
Kantor said:
nitekrawler1285 said:
I miss when more developers seemed to have the same idea of fun that I had. But I suppose they are businesses and games selling 10+ million selling games is more profitable than 2 or 3 million sellers. Sigh.

That's exactly the point. These "fun" games often go on to cross 10 million, and the quality "hardcore" games which of course are not fun because they don't have ponies and mushrooms and bright sunlight, sell around 3 million. The industry needs more developers who don't care about money. Like Quantic Dream. Like Naughty Dog. Like Nintendo used to be.

I'm sorry.

What?

I think he is being sarcastic, but it's always hard to tell with Kantor.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
theRepublic said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
theRepublic said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Once I managed to install them and configured peripherals, if necessary, I even manage to have fun with PC games... Yep, I am so strange!
This said, even if I think that Malstrom every now and then is right, and he definitely is when he bashes this subset of hardcore gamers, he isn't righ a t all in general on this issue, a lot of hardcore gamers enjoy their games and have fun from them, but even more are hardcore only with some games and casual with others. And Wii didn't disrupt hardcore gaming, sorry Malstrom, Wii added a new way of gaming that can even add something new to hardcore gamers habits without negating their old loves, the only threat to hardcore games are lobotomized versions of classic hardcore titles, like the sequel to Deus Ex.

Malstrom is not saying that "hardcore" games can't be fun.  He is saying that "hardcore" gamers who think that games shouldn't be fun are nuts.

Yes, and as I wrote, maybe I didn't express myself clearly enough, this time I AGREE with Malstrom, it's just that I don't agree with his disruption theory, he tries too much to make facts square with it at all costs.

Sorry, maybe it's almost a non sequitur with the current argument, but each time I agree with Malstrom, I feel the need to specify that I don't agree with him on everything, and his attitude with Wii's success can't help making me think to a tail that tries to wag the dog    

 

Disruption is not Malstrom's theory.  Clayton Christensen came up with the theory in 1995.

It's how he forcedly applies it to Wii against HD consoles that's wrong, and to boast about he's right he ignores PC gaming too in his calculations, it's too simplistic, we perfectly know that the two worlds AREN'T independent from each other.

Actually Wii is the strongest contender, but it didn't crush the others. And it really doesn't need to, just like it doesn't need Malstrom to succeed.

 

Clayton Christensen himself has called the Wii a disruptive product.

http://www.easy-strategy.com/sony-strategy.html



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theRepublic said:
Kantor said:

Not boring, of course. No good game is boring. But it doesn't have to be fun. The Godfather wasn't fun. Lord of the Rings wasn't fun. The Dark Knight wasn't fun.

Shadow of the Colossus wasn't fun, MGS4 wasn't fun, Killzone 2 wasn't fun, Heavy Rain won't be fun.

They're all still awesome, though.

I would sooner whack myself on the head with a hammer than be forced to play Frisbee Catch for any extended length of time. Of course fun games can be good- Mario Kart, LittleBigPlanet, Ratchet and Clank, light hearted games like that. But not all games that Mr. Malstrom considers "fun" are good. If the mainstream thinks they are, good for them.

I must use fun differently than most people here.  I never saw the Godfather, but the Lord of the Rings and the Dark Knight were both fun, enjoyable movies to me.


I know seriously, he must have a very skewed understanding of what fun is



 

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