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mjc2021 on 18 May 2009
**Slash** said:
don't forget

Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Sega 7.09m


total: 30.81 Million

more than PS3

Did Sega have the option to release that game on any console of their choice? That's more like 2nd party.

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Pristine20 on 18 May 2009

Your average nintendo fanboy would tell you that it's because the 3rd parties didn't "try".



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bardicverse on 18 May 2009

There is only one reason that 3rd parties will ignore the Wii - because mjc2021 said so, and his word is infallible. ;P



S.T.A.G.E. on 18 May 2009
Squilliam said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Third parties and Nintendo, sadly, have had an unstable relationship since Sony got into the gaming scene. They completely turned third party against Nintendo. In retaliation, Nintendo ignored 3rd party during the Gamecube era only to acquire them at the very end.

You've made this exact post at least 3* before now. Whats going on here?

 

 

 

Because its true.



mjc2021 on 18 May 2009
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Munkeh111 said:
Well it is obvious that FPS are going to sell better on PS360 than Wii (look at WaW), and so if a studio is used to developing on those platforms, and has an engine in place, then it is obvious to make a game like that

Then again, the 3rd parties could simply shift resources into Wii friendly games, but when things like Carnival games are selling many copies without that much resources put into them, I see no reason not to continue the way they are, but shifting slightly more to Wii as the recession hits the sales of PS360 more than Wii

This is exactly the problem the wii has. 3rd party developers see good profits on a really low investment. So they continue do the same. They have no incentive to do better or invest more in a game, because of decent competition or broad demand for quality. It acts out like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Because the whole 'stupid kiddy console' idea took hold, they see very little reason to put more effort in the wii games.

 


Exactly, I'm surprised you even had to explain that to him.

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mjc2021 on 18 May 2009
bardicverse said:

There is only one reason that 3rd parties will ignore the Wii - because mjc2021 said so, and his word is infallible. ;P


Well in this particular case... I'd like to think there some validity to what I'm saying.

BxN on 18 May 2009
Munkeh111 said:
**Slash** said:
don't forget

Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Sega 7.09m


total: 30.81 Million

more than PS3

Well then you have to drop the bottom 1 which sold 1.5m, putting it below the PS3.

 

Anyway, with double the user base, the Wii should be selling far more

I was about to point that.

 

And if it wasn't for the ''Mario'' in the title of the game, this very average game would've sold maybe two millions at the most.

 



Squilliam on 18 May 2009
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Squilliam said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Third parties and Nintendo, sadly, have had an unstable relationship since Sony got into the gaming scene. They completely turned third party against Nintendo. In retaliation, Nintendo ignored 3rd party during the Gamecube era only to acquire them at the very end.

You've made this exact post at least 3* before now. Whats going on here?

 

 

 

Because its true.

Truth or not, don't you think that some of the reasons why Nintendo and 3rd parties don't get along are due to how Nintendo acted in the past?

This is exactly the problem the wii has. 3rd party developers see good profits on a really low investment. So they continue do the same. They have no incentive to do better or invest more in a game, because of decent competition or broad demand for quality. It acts out like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Because the whole 'stupid kiddy console' idea took hold, they see very little reason to put more effort in the wii games.

This year sees a far better line-up of quality. But it is still not what a marketleader should have. It seems the mindset is truly changing, but it painfully shows that most 3rd party developers have little imagination or courage to do something new. When i first saw the wii, i thought of the new gaming opportunities coming our way. I saw it, Nintendo sure saw it, but not many others. It's sad that an old veteran like Nintendo got so much disbelief. Nintendo basically started the business with the same daring attitude. And for the most time they kept it, despite some stupid mistakes (you know them). If i worked in the industry, ik knew this: Don't take your eyes of Nintendo, ever.

I don't think thats the case, low development costs can be both a blessing and a curse because it allows for a lot of very shallow development to take place. Furthermore you seem to have this other image about what the Wii is, its not the market leader of all markets. Hell its definately not likely to be the market leader amongst the main demographics which buy violent video games.

 

 



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Pinab on 18 May 2009

Rather than use the top10, I'd recommened total software sold (by 3rd parties).

Total SW sold (VGChartz numbers, they are proven to be a bit low on both Wii and X360)
Wii: 297M
X360: 228M
Ps3: 132M

Rough estimate of sold by 1st party:
Wii: 160M
X360: 50M
Ps3: 30M

Total by 3rd party:
Wii: ~ 140M
X360: ~ 180M
Ps3: ~ 100M



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mjc2021 on 18 May 2009
BxN said:
Munkeh111 said:
**Slash** said:
don't forget

Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Sega 7.09m


total: 30.81 Million

more than PS3

Well then you have to drop the bottom 1 which sold 1.5m, putting it below the PS3.

 

Anyway, with double the user base, the Wii should be selling far more

I was about to point that.

 

And if it wasn't for the ''Mario'' in the title of the game, this very average game would've sold maybe two millions at the most.

 


As I said Sega had no say on which console that game can be on. Nintendo had a hand in that game therefore I won't count it.