So, if half the population considered a certain group of people not human, the other half is just supposed to allow them to do whatever they want to that group of people?  Reminds me of slavery.

"A human and a dog are the exact same thing". "[Humans]...evolved ability to think"  That right there is a rather large difference.  Would you give a dog all the rights a human has?  Of course not.  You don't consider dogs and humans to be the same.

"So... force a person to do something and potentially ruin their lives for something that may or may not be human"?

So, you'd rather run the risk of killing a human being than run the risk of "ruining" some person's life?  That sounds very wrong to me.

And, we tell people all the time what they can't do with their children.

Sounds like a fail attempt at an analogy. The white population's lives were never even at the tinies risk of being ruined by blacks being freed.

Your criticizing the example, not the analogy.  And if the white's were at some risk of having their lives ruined by the black's freedom, would that have justified the slavery (not that I would consider most (if any) people live's would be ruined by their baby, when they could just give it up for adoption in the most extreme cases)?

Yes, if it's proven they would harm disasterously the life of the others. More problems in your example. Half of the population? Half the population is women yes but not everyone will get pregnant, and even less will have an abortion. Your example is just bad through and through.

Again you are equating a fetus to a born human. HUGE difference between the two there. Until a fetus does something to differentiate itself from that of a dog or a cat or another mammal in general, then it's not human.

I love how the pro choice people here are questioning when human life begins. If you don't know how can you take the risk of aborting a fetus if it could be hman life, you guys make no sense to me.

I by the way am pro life and believe life begins at conception.

As I stated earlier, ther sperm when you masturbate is just as potentially human as your fertalized eggs in the beginning, so let's ban that as well I say!

While at it let's ban sex without a permit althogether so we can stop this retarded argument already and the fact that MAYBE a woman may miscarry. While at it let's keep everyone in their house and drug them, that way they won't go homocidal and kill others as well. In fact let's just put everyone into a coma and have only a select few do the reproducing for us, to ensure thare are gray areas or murders or anything, in case people get confused on what's murder and what's not. You never know.

As I have stated earlier, you probably aren't even remotely close to being pro-life, so stop labeling yourself as such.

So, you're allowed to ruin or end the life of one person if it makes another person's life better?

 "Half of the population? Half the population is women yes but not everyone will get pregnant, and even less will have an abortion".  What does this have to do with anything?  Rath and I were discussing the groups that support and oppose abortion, which, according to this Gallup poll, are about half-and-half.

"Again you are equating a fetus to a born human. HUGE difference between the two there. Until a fetus does something to differentiate itself from that of a dog or a cat or another mammal in general, then it's not human".

I'll assume this in respose to my other post.  I'm not really sure what it is you mean in your second sentence.  Do you mean  differentiate itself from the fetus of a dog or cat?  If so, there's a huge genetic difference, so that's one way already.

Alas! I must be off to work, so I won't be responding for a while.

DNA is a blueprint, nothing more. It's like saying that 2 buildings are different when all they have laid down is the ditch for the foundations. However at that point they are obviosuly different because the blueprint is different? I call bullshit on that.

Furthermore the fetus is a parasite, and correct me if I'm arong but a normal human isn't. A human doesn't depend on anyone else to live and be well. They depend on food and water and that's it. Before they are sustainable outside the mother the fetus is not human, it's a parasite.

Since you are so much for its rights, does that mean that you will oulaw pregnant drinking? Or smoking? Or eating unhealthily? Or doing heavy exercise? Or anything that will cause her to miscarry or damage the fetus? How the fuck is that not controlling one's body? You just basically made her a slave to that fetus, legally. F that.

If she wants that parasite out of her she should be able to remove it, if you want to save it, go ahead and find a way to keep it alive and going, as long as it's no longer in her. I don't care how you do it, implant in another mother, machines, or not at all.

They are very different situations.

All different kinds of people, negroes, caucasians, orientals or aboriginals, display self awareness, consciousness, the ability to feel pain, emotions and many other things that foetuses simply don't. The problem is that there is a lack of agreement on when people become people. I personally take the point of where they gain the ability (or at least the necessary pieces to have the ability) to feel pain, as it is the first of the things that I consider to make up a person that develops.