Gallup: More Americans “Pro-Life” Than “Pro-Choice” for First Time

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vlad321 said:

appolose said:

vlad321 said:

Yes, however that fetus is inside of the woman and therefore you control her body and tell her what she does and doesn't. If you so want that fetus, get it out of her and support it elsewhere, but she has to have the option of not having it in her, plain and simple.

 

And to draw a comparison:

6-year-old: has legs, talks or makes sounds, comprehends surroundings, acts on stimuli based on something other than instinct, has a working brain with a measureable brainwave, conscious, has chromosomes, etc.

early fetus: clump of cells, no mobility, no brain, no consciousness, reacts based on instinct, no sounds whatsoever, poentially turns into said 6-year-old.

sperm: clump of cells, has chromosomes, mobility, no brain, no consciousness, reacts based on instinct, no speech or sounds, potentially turns into a 6-year-old.

"Yes, however that fetus is inside of the woman and therefore you control her body and tell her what she does and doesn't. If you so want that fetus, get it out of her and support it elsewhere, but she has to have the option of not having it in her, plain and simple".

 Even if the fetus is fully human?  If so, that's the equivalent of saying countries have the right to execute their citizens whenever they want because they live in their country.

Anyways, to add to that comparison:

Fully grown dog: has legs, talks or makes sounds, comprehends surroundings, acts on stimuli based on something other than instinct, has a working brain with a measureable brainwave, conscious, has chromosomes, etc.

Yet, I don't consider it human.

Actually a human and a dog are the exact same thing. Humans are animals, only diferencec is that while others evovled into being stronger, faster, or more agile, we evolved ability to think. That doesn't erase the simple fact we're no better than a dog in the grand scheme of things. At the same time, a fetus of a dog is also BARELY different than the fetus of a human, in fact up till a few weeks, it's just the same clump of cells as a human's early fetus with just a few different acids in their DNA, yet you don't consider them the same? For the recod the fetus of a dog is not a dog either.

So... force a person to do something and potentially ruin their lives for something that may or may not be human? No, I don't see anything wrong with this at all actually. It's the mother that gives life, if she doesn't want to she doesn't want to. Who the fuck are we to tell her what to do?

 

"A human and a dog are the exact same thing". "[Humans]...evolved ability to think"  That right there is a rather large difference.  Would you give a dog all the rights a human has?  Of course not.  You don't consider dogs and humans to be the same.

"So... force a person to do something and potentially ruin their lives for something that may or may not be human"?

So, you'd rather run the risk of killing a human being than run the risk of "ruining" some person's life?  That sounds very wrong to me.

And, we tell people all the time what they can't do with their children.