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gergroy said:
I love how both are reffered to as pro. Like they are both positive... :)

Anti-life just doesn't have the same ring to it.



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Rath said:
gergroy said:
I love how both are reffered to as pro. Like they are both positive... :)

Anti-life just doesn't have the same ring to it.

 

Nor anti-choice.



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dsister44 said:
vlad321 said:
I'll state this again:

Most pro-life people are conservative, hate paying taxes for the "socialistic" programs, and then in the same breath tell people they have the option of sending their children to orphanages. Newsflash, but where do you think orphanages get their money from? Then people will bitch about the crime rate, another newsflash, but if a child has a bad upbringing there's a huge chance they will go down the criminal path. Why did you even bother defending that child if you just end up sending him to jail and bitching him out 20 years later?

Anyone got an answer to that?

 

so what you are saying is that you are preventing crime by killing babies? 

 

It's not a baby until it is just about ready to be born. And that's by ANY definition.



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I am pro-life. Everybody deserves to live.



TO GOD BE THE GLORY

(Note: English is not my primary language)

 

This thread is stuck in manniqueism, black or white... the title itself guides to it... but I will try to paint it with a litle bit of grey.

I don't know how can I show my thoughts properly, so I will start with facts.

FACTS

1) Abortion it's a traumatic experience to the woman. The great majority of them would suffer for it for a long time.

2) The fetus doesn't have cerebral activity in the very first months, so it has no life.

3) We don't live in an ideal world. Shit happens.

 

These 3 facts are that, facts, noone can deny them. Given these facts, I will start with my dissertation.

Because of the fact 1, it is clear that abortion is not the first way to solve problems. In fact, in an ideal society, it should be taken only in extreme cases, such as raping or risk of deadh for the woman for example. Of course, only if the woman decides to discontinue the pregnancy. If the pregnancy is the result of an irresponsability, I think the woman should have the baby, and then, put it into adoption. If we lived in an ideal society, the mother could have the necesary resources to have a good pregnancy (for example, she would need money if she has to left her job). It is demonstrated that the feelings of the mother afect the fetus, so it is compulsory to have a "happy mother".

But, this is where it enters our society, far far from being ideal. Shit happens, as do the irresponsabilities. In the real world, and I can talk about this by personal experience of woman a know, pregnant women get 0 help from the state, and it is not as easy as most of you think to get the child into adoption. The woman I talk about, decided to have the baby knowing there would be no father to help her. She had no money to raise another child either (she has another one). Finally, she had the baby, but the government didn't accept at first to put the baby into adoption, as she was an inmigrant. She had to raise the baby for 7 months in very bad conditions, as she worked 12 hours a day to get the money to live. The goverment got the child in the end, giving him a family, but 2 years after, this child was given to another family, and then to another family... If only she knew what would happen, she would have aborted. The child know is very problematic and it's all but a happy person, and the mother suffers for it everyday.

This situation could have been cut up with a proper abortion. She could have aborted in the 12th week, and nothing of this would have happened. The fetus would have not been alive by then, so she wouldn't have killed anybody. Sure, she will suffer from the experience, but thats the price to pay for an irresponsability.

 

So, to sum up, what I try to say is.

¿Abortion should be legal? Yes. But we should try the woman doesn't see it as THE alternative, but as a last resort, and it shpuld be STRICTLY regulated.

¿There should be MUCH more help to pregnant mothers? Absolutely. The idea is to help the mother to have the baby, and then put it into adoption. Much things should change tough.

¿Should we be more tolerant? Yes. If you are "pro life" (this term is very funny for me, but anyway), you can have the baby, there is no problem in it. If the women wishes to abort, and her pregnancy is in an early state, no crime is commited, she has to know she will suffer for the experience probably her whole life.

 

I think abortion is a last resort, and it must be used very carefully and estrictly regulated, but we should try to understand the different cultures and beliefs and accept that others can do thing you don't approve, but such is the real world. If the pregnancy is in an early state, no crime is commited. So, even I don't like the idea of abortion, because I really don't like it and I wouldn't recommend it, I shouldn't decide or determine other people actions, as maybe if I were in their situation, my toughts would change a lot.

 

As a last note, I live because my fathers went to the abortion clinic and finally couldn't bear the feeling of "murdering" me, and bak home without doing it. So here I am, nearly 24 years later . Or at least that's what they told me... In my case, the decision worked out... but in the other case, I won't be here to blame them as I won't have noticed...

 

 

 

PS: To add a little bit of humour: "Pro-lifers", if "killing" a two month fetus is killing someone, I don't imagine the feeling you have when you make love, as 600million spermatozoids die in the way to heaven (I don't even talk about masturbation)... or the idea that every menstruation of a woman is a potencial human life (as a fetus) spent...



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"Pro-Life implies that others are "Anti-Life".

So called 'pro-lifers' should find a new name for themselves (imo).



I'm pro-death I suppose. Though personally, I will NEVER have an abortion.



Hawkeye said:
I'm pro-death I suppose. Though personally, I will NEVER have an abortion.

lol, what are you doing that will get you pregnant?

 



Xxain said:
Rath said:
Xxain said:
I dont understand, I cant wrap my head Pro Choice...

To many pro-choicers a fetus is not alive, therefore aborting it is not murder or anything even close to murder and as such its ok. When you look at a fetus as being essentially a collection of cells without any of the things that make a human human such as the ability to think, relate and recognise then it makes perfect sense that said fetus should be able to be aborted.

I can see the pro-life side where they do see the fetus as being human and as such do not think that it makes perfect sense that said fetus should be aborted, usually due to the belief in a soul (which makes a person a person right from the start).

@Tyrannical. An ad hominem attack on Roe and the founder of Planned Parenthood doesn't actually change their message, no matter how flawed they were it does not make their message flawed.

 

(post made while very drunk so any spelling or logical mistakes I'll fix in the morning and anything thats insulting I'll apologise for)


 

NO!!!, I dont understand why its so hard to to wrap it and use pill, I taking about PREVENTING PREGNANTCY, when you take steps to PREVENT it Abortion is never a issue.

 

Capital letters and exclamation marks do not make an argument. I'm not saying that preventing pregnancy is bad, in fact I'm saying its good. We're not talking about contraception here though we're talking about abortion.

To say that contraception makes abortion unnessecary is very naive, even if there were free condoms and pills everywhere and everyone had access to them accidental pregnancys would still happen.



This boils down to very morally ambiguous territory and is even more pointless than a debate over religion in my eyes. When do you believe life begins? What do you believe is personal freedom?

I'm politically pro-choice and personally pro-life, BTW.




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