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shio said:



The rest seems fine, though I don't know much about Intelligent Systems.

Advance Wars.

Fire Emblem.

Paper Mario.

Super Metroid and Metroid Fusion.

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I think that should explain everything.

 



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shio said:
While those studios haven't made bad games, some of them they still made mediocre games:
- Lionhead Studios, for example, made the mediocre Fable and the decent Fable 2, and both are not good games.
- Kojima Studios made the not-so-good Metal Gear Solid 2, and that bad game called MGS: Portable Ops Plus (or so I've heard).
- Bioware made the very mediocre Jade Empire.


The rest seems fine, though I don't know much about Intelligent Systems. I'm surprised you didn't pick quality juggernauts like Blizzard, Stardock and Relic.

Both Fable titles are well-regarded, whether you agree or not, as are MGS2, Portable Ops, and Jade Empire.

Stardock is more of a publisher and hasn't been around that long.

Relic isn't very old, either.

 



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GooseGaws said:
BringBackChrono said:
The list lacks Polyphony, and Black Isle Studios, And Team ICO, and Clover Studios.

If you read the criteria, they exclude studios that no longer exist, haven't been around long enough (seems pre-PS1 is required), or have little variation in their output.

 

Ah, my bad. Was just in too much of a hurry to mention Black Isle.



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GooseGaws said:

If you read the criteria, they exclude studios that no longer exist, haven't been around long enough (seems pre-PS1 is required), or have little variation in their output.

The first game Harmonix made was in 2001, so evidently that wasn't a requirement

 

Anyway, a lot can be said, but definitely Lionhead has no place here. Fable ranged from mediocre to good, depending if you took into account the nice variety of choices or the horrible story, but it can be considered a good game. But Black and White was a truly bad game, it sucked




zexen_lowe said:
GooseGaws said:

If you read the criteria, they exclude studios that no longer exist, haven't been around long enough (seems pre-PS1 is required), or have little variation in their output.

The first game Harmonix made was in 2001, so evidently that wasn't a requirement

Anyway, a lot can be said, but definitely Lionhead has no place here. Fable ranged from mediocre to good, depending if you took into account the nice variety of choices or the horrible story, but it can be considered a good game. But Black and White was a truly bad game, it sucked

Ah, good point!  And they only make rhythm games, as well.  Hmm...

 

The critics disagree with you on Black & White, though.



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shio said:
While those studios haven't made bad games, some of them they still made mediocre games:
- Lionhead Studios, for example, made the mediocre Fable and the decent Fable 2, and both are not good games.
- Kojima Studios made the not-so-good Metal Gear Solid 2, and that bad game called MGS: Portable Ops Plus (or so I've heard).
- Bioware made the very mediocre Jade Empire.


The rest seems fine, though I don't know much about Intelligent Systems. I'm surprised you didn't pick quality juggernauts like Blizzard, Stardock and Relic.

 

 Jade Empire was not mediocre, it actually got really good reviews and was for me anyway, better than KOTR.  I'd say the Fable's were overhyped, but they were still good games and hardly the weakest link in lionhead's line up.  Metal gear solid 2 was also a very well reviewed game and was amazing, kojima studio's falters on the metal gear acid games, portable ops was actually pretty good and got good reviews.  I would also hesitate to call stardock and relic quality juggernauts.  They make really good games, but they don't really have enought games under their belt to be called juggernaughts. 

My question to this thread then, is what are the qualifiers of a good game?  Is it up to personal preference or is it based on review scores?  I think it should be up to review scores rather than personal taste just because it is less subjective.  Also, I think highly reviewed games are more universally accepted as good games(no offense shio)



GooseGaws said:
zexen_lowe said:
GooseGaws said:

If you read the criteria, they exclude studios that no longer exist, haven't been around long enough (seems pre-PS1 is required), or have little variation in their output.

The first game Harmonix made was in 2001, so evidently that wasn't a requirement

Anyway, a lot can be said, but definitely Lionhead has no place here. Fable ranged from mediocre to good, depending if you took into account the nice variety of choices or the horrible story, but it can be considered a good game. But Black and White was a truly bad game, it sucked

Ah, good point!  And they only make rhythm games, as well.  Hmm...

 

The critics disagree with you on Black & White, though.

Though some critics say now that they greatly overrated it back then.

http://archive.gamespy.com/articles/september03/25overrated/index26.shtml

 




GooseGaws said:
nojustno said:
Bethesda anyone??

Something tells me you haven't been playing games for very long...

 

What's that got to do with them making no bad games?




GooseGaws said:
Zones said:
Where is Naughty Dog? Since Crash Bandicoot, they haven't had one game that is bad. However, they did make some other games back in the late 80s and early 90s, but few have played them.

The whole point of the article is teams that have been around for an extended period of time and have never made a bad game.  Thus, Naughty Dog is disqualified.

Naughty Dog have been around since 1986, and their least rated game is the first Crash Bandicoot, which has an average of 80 per-cent from GameRankings.

All of their games have been successful both critically, and commercially.



nojustno said:
GooseGaws said:
nojustno said:
Bethesda anyone??

Something tells me you haven't been playing games for very long...

What's that got to do with them making no bad games?

The fact that they have made bad games.  Where's Waldo and Home Alone, for a start.



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