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MikeB on 24 August 2007

@ naznatips

I'm pretty sure considering in the first year the PS2 released GT3, GTA3, and FFX, no one was complaining.


Projects have become bigger involving more artists and engineers. GTA 3 was released almost exactly 1 year after the PS2 release in Japan. Final Fantasy X hit Europe 2 years after the PS2's release in Japan. The PS3 hasn't even been on the market in NA and Japan for a full year, let alone Europe.

With regard to nobody complaining, there were actually many media articles which spelled the PS2's alledged doom.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

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rocketpig on 24 August 2007
MikeB said:
@ Sqrl

The problem with the whole "just wait" thing is that is exactly what people are doing. Why pay $600 for something now when it won't be really put to use for a year or more?


And I don't see a problem with that. If the PS3 would have an installed base of well over 100 million right now, it would put Sony in serious financial problems. Currently the are profitable, adding value to the PS3 step by step, with the install base gradually increasing.


One small problem with that: in this industry, stumbling out of the gate can be disastrous because third party support is vital to a console's success. If you stumble out of launch and developers start to question the console's future viability in the market, they WILL pull support and divert it to larger userbases.

Not surprisingly, this exact situation is happening to the PS3 right now. It has lost multiple major exclusives over the past year and a half. You can't spin that in a positive way. 




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Sqrl on 24 August 2007
ceres said:
MikeB said:
@ Sqrl

The problem with the whole "just wait" thing is that is exactly what people are doing. Why pay $600 for something now when it won't be really put to use for a year or more?


And I don't see a problem with that. If the PS3 would have an installed base of well over 100 million right now, it would put Sony in serious financial problems. Currently the are profitable, adding value to the PS3 step by step, with the install base gradually increasing.


I said that so I don't know why you're @ing Sqrl. And c'mon. That is complete BS. You're going to tell me that over 2 million unsold units of the PS3 is a good thing? If you don't sell it, instead of loosing $200, you've lost $800.


Lol, had me confused for a moment. Although I do agree with the quote. And I also don't buy that sony wouldn't love to have 100 million installed PS3's right now. They would be in huge debt but my god their profit potential would be enormous.

Thats not to mention the fact that it would give the format war automatically to Sony and Blu-Ray.  Which is another source of huge profit potential. 
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albionus on 24 August 2007
Sqrl said:
Solidar said:

And ANY person that wants a real job HAS to have multiple degrees pal. You wouldn't understand that since you have probably never been to college.


QFT! -  I won't get in the middle of your argument but I will say this is absolutely true.  I have talked with a few of the big defense contractors like Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and Northrop Grummon. And the one common point is that multiple degrees are required for consideration.  I am currently back in school trying to finish up another 2 degrees.  This time for 2 Bachelors in Computer Science and the other one will probably end up being Robotic Engineering. Although I have given serious thought to looking at some of the Aerospace engineering programs but those jobs can be rediculously competitive so I am thinking a little less competetive field is a good start and work on the Aerospace degree on the side until I can finish it up and apply with a few years experience under my belt.  Plus the diverse background goes a long way.

Just a single degree (especially an associates degree) is not enough to get a solid high paying job, at least not in the tech sector.


Ahhh, a CS major.  I suspected as much when you vociferously stuck up for computer programmers.  3 degrees?!! Then you're in the same boat as me.  That's all the more impressive though seeing as you've probably never been to college.



dallas on 24 August 2007

LOL at that last one....sorry



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Solidar on 24 August 2007
albionus said:
Sqrl said:
Solidar said:

And ANY person that wants a real job HAS to have multiple degrees pal. You wouldn't understand that since you have probably never been to college.


QFT! -  I won't get in the middle of your argument but I will say this is absolutely true.  I have talked with a few of the big defense contractors like Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and Northrop Grummon. And the one common point is that multiple degrees are required for consideration.  I am currently back in school trying to finish up another 2 degrees.  This time for 2 Bachelors in Computer Science and the other one will probably end up being Robotic Engineering. Although I have given serious thought to looking at some of the Aerospace engineering programs but those jobs can be rediculously competitive so I am thinking a little less competetive field is a good start and work on the Aerospace degree on the side until I can finish it up and apply with a few years experience under my belt.  Plus the diverse background goes a long way.

Just a single degree (especially an associates degree) is not enough to get a solid high paying job, at least not in the tech sector.


Ahhh, a CS major.  I suspected as much when you vociferously stuck up for computer programmers.  3 degrees?!! Then you're in the same boat as me.  That's all the more impressive though seeing as you've probably never been to college.


What are you talking about? I said dallas had never been to college, not Sqrl...



MikeB on 24 August 2007

@ albionus

And for the majority of people who already have a computer and don't want bluray? You're badly missing the point here, the argument isn't that the PS3 can be seen as a good value, it's whether Sony has made the PS3 in a way that that most consumers don't view it as a good value.


I think you missed the point of my previous message. The PS3 was designed to last a decade as a high performance gaming platform. In Sony's, developers' and my view Blu-Ray is crucial for the long run, not having to deal with game development sacrifices.

Including Blu-Ray movie playback software makes sense as an additional feature, as the Blu-Ray drive is already inside the PS3. But its usefulness is secondary compared to gaming.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

rocketpig on 24 August 2007
MikeB said:
With regard to nobody complaining, there were actually many media articles which spelled the PS2's alledged doom.

While I also remember those articles, the major difference was that the PS2 sold well right off the bat and continued to gain momentum while the PS3 obviously hasn't. The two systems are in very different positions this far into their lifecycles. 




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Sqrl on 24 August 2007
albionus said:
Sqrl said:
Solidar said:

And ANY person that wants a real job HAS to have multiple degrees pal. You wouldn't understand that since you have probably never been to college.


QFT! - I won't get in the middle of your argument but I will say this is absolutely true. I have talked with a few of the big defense contractors like Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and Northrop Grummon. And the one common point is that multiple degrees are required for consideration. I am currently back in school trying to finish up another 2 degrees. This time for 2 Bachelors in Computer Science and the other one will probably end up being Robotic Engineering. Although I have given serious thought to looking at some of the Aerospace engineering programs but those jobs can be rediculously competitive so I am thinking a little less competetive field is a good start and work on the Aerospace degree on the side until I can finish it up and apply with a few years experience under my belt. Plus the diverse background goes a long way.

Just a single degree (especially an associates degree) is not enough to get a solid high paying job, at least not in the tech sector.


Ahhh, a CS major. I suspected as much when you vociferously stuck up for computer programmers. 3 degrees?!! Then you're in the same boat as me. That's all the more impressive though seeing as you've probably never been to college.


 What makes you say that? 



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Solidar on 24 August 2007
MikeB said:
@ albionus

And for the majority of people who already have a computer and don't want bluray? You're badly missing the point here, the argument isn't that the PS3 can be seen as a good value, it's whether Sony has made the PS3 in a way that that most consumers don't view it as a good value.


I think you missed the point of my previous message. The PS3 was designed to last a decade as a high performance gaming platform. In Sony's, developers' and my view Blu-Ray is crucial for the long run, not having to deal with game development sacrifices.

Including Blu-Ray movie playback software makes sense as an additional feature, as the Blu-Ray drive is already inside the PS3. But its usefulness is secondary compared to gaming.

I can pretty much guarantee there will be one or more new formats within the next 10 years that renders Blu-ray obsolete. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of tech companies developing new technology everyday. Sony made a big mistake with the way they have handled the PS3. Too bad they would never admit it.