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Carl2291 said:
Thechalkblock said:
Carl2291 said:
Thechalkblock said:
Carl2291 said:
Thechalkblock said:
Carl2291 said:
Snake is THE soldier...
Snake dont need some bitchass armour to keep him protected.
Snake dont need no stupid shield to keep him protected.
Snake is a master of cqc. master chief can only swing his gun/sword

@ YesWiiCan...
Mario is bent and shouldnt even be mensioned in the same category as these 2 "action heroes"... maybe in the "kiddy appealing" market.
Bye

 

Troll.


 

Im a troll for saying he shouldnt be an action hero? Or because i say hes bent?

For what I bolded.

 


 

In this case your logic fails Firstly as im sure Mario wasnt in the title, or opening post, so i have a right to abuse whoever mensions him . Secondly as mario is "casual" not "hardcore" like MGS/Halo he really shouldnt be included in a fight between either... seriously, whats he gonna do? bounce on them? =S. Thirdly... i said bye to him as in to say "your off topic, leave". so NER

Oh okay Mario is casual, he isn't cool enough to hang out with the big kid hardcore group. According to you since this post is off topic I am allowed to abuse you as well, does that make sense? If the post was off topic in the first place why did you even acknowledge it? Oh I know why, to bash the most famous video game character there is because he is on the Wii which blows because it's casual. Stop being a troll and go play one of your hardcore games.

 

 

See now your just obviously being dumb... APPARENTLY the reason i dont like mario is the wii? where have ANY of my posts ever said that i dislike the wii? please find me one because i dont remember writing one... anyway, the reason i dislike mario compared to snake/chief is... hes a fat plumber who jumps on mushrooms... whereas snake/chief are as described through the thread as killing machines... get a grip of your uneducated life please.

 

Can you honestly tell me you like the Wii? Because I bet you can't. You obviously don't like it enough to buy it, or you wouldn't call Mario casual after playing Super Mario Galaxy. I honestly don't care that you like snake/chief better than mario, just don't trash talk mario just because he isn't cool enough for you. If being educated to you means disliking mario because he is a fat plumer who eats mushrooms and is nowhere near as cool as Snake or Chief than I would rather you think I'm uneducated.



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@Thechalkblock lol haha alright you made ur point :) but lets try to stay on topic



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Guys before this go further. Let me bring up Excibit A.

See we already had the discussion around who would win a fight. Although snake wasn't included which is why i didn't post it earlier:

Results - 20/08/08

Who would win in a fight?
Kratos 601 35.17%

Link 598 34.99%

Dante 102 5.97%

Master Chief 186 10.88%

Sack Boy 221 12.93%

1,708


As you can see, Kratos would win the fight.

http://www.vgchartz.com/poll/results.php



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Khuutra said:
Hippysnake said:
Oh c'mon.

Solid Snake beat 3 walking Nuclear Battle tanks, beat the crap out of a drugged cyborg Ninja, and taken on an M1 tank with nothing but a packet of crisps and 2 grenades.
Even as an old **** he still managed to take out plenty of Gekko Metal Gears, beat RAY, get LAUCNHED OVERBOARD INTO A SHIP VIA A CATAPULT, beat the **** out of four crazy bitches and still have time for a smoke.
What's a man in a green suit going to do? Throw sticks at him?

Snake anyday.

One of Master Chief's first major missions involved him and a squad wiping out every single Covenant warrior on an entire planet. He's been in several hundred different missions, all of which were larger scale than anything that's happened in Metal Gear.

Hell, the first level of Halo 2 alone is more than anything that's ever happened in Metal Gear.

Someones enjoying Master Chief's company. The general consensus in this thread is that Snake would win, now, I'm not sure if that Master Chief fanboy helmet of yours is altering how you interpret that, but Snake would win. Anyday. Anytime. Anyplace. Xbox. 360. PS3. Wii. DS. PSP.

The first level of Halo 2? That was more like a bouncy castle fest.

Get over it. Seriously. You've argued with every Pro-Snake person in here, which is the vast majority, and quite frankly, you've failed.

 



Hippysnake said:

Someones enjoying Master Chief's company. The general consensus in this thread is that Snake would win, now, I'm not sure if that Master Chief fanboy helmet of yours is altering how you interpret that, but Snake would win. Anyday. Anytime. Anyplace. Xbox. 360. PS3. Wii. DS. PSP.

The first level of Halo 2? That was more like a bouncy castle fest.

Get over it. Seriously. You've argued with every Pro-Snake person in here, which is the vast majority, and quite frankly, you've failed.

Do you have an actual argument (or any point concerning Snake's ability to overcome the Chief's overwhelming advantages in hand-to-hand combat), or would you like to just declare victory based on popular consensus (which you don't actually have - leastways, not by people who are actually reading the topic or participating in the discussion)? Do you notice that the only people who have tried to argue this point at length end up abandoning the conversation so someone else can argue for them, conceding the point, or oming up with different matchups where a naked Master Chief actually has a chance to lose?

I understand how tempting it is to just claim victory and decry the opposition as a fanboy, but please do not. I am no more a Master Chief "fanboy" than I am a Solid Snake fanboy. I prefer Snake as a character. It doesn't change the fact that the Master Chief, in terms of combat ability, is so far removed from him that it's not a fair fight.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=1779112

That post presents most of the relevant arguments in one place, but I will convey them further.

The Master Chihef has more combat experience than Snake, has been genetically, surgically, and cybernetically modified to be over three times stronger than the normal human, have bones that are unbreakable under normal amounts of pressure, reaction times more than three times faster than the normal human limit, the ability to move more than twice as quickly as the average person...

This isn't fanboyism talking. It's an acknowledgement that, for whatever reason and regardless of story quality, Master Chief is a one-man battalion who was specifically designed to be abl to fight threats which were far more than human, with or without his armor. Snake, in spite of his essentially perfect physique, is still just a normal man whose experience is primarily in normal human engagements. Yes, he killed a bunch of very large tanks using high explosives, and that's impressive, but it doesn't change anything.

The closest thing you've got to an argument is how Snake can fight the Cyborg Ninja in hand to hand and win - but it doesn't change the fact that Snake not only isn't fast enough to hit the Chief, but even if he was he wouldn't be able to do more than bruise him because his bones are essentially unbreakable and his internal organs are fortified against minor injuries. Snake could shoot Master Chief directly in the forehead and it wouldn't do anything but piss him off.

That's not fanboyism. It's the kind of fighter that Master Chief was conceptualized as.



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Hippysnake said:
Khuutra said:
Hippysnake said:
Oh c'mon.

Solid Snake beat 3 walking Nuclear Battle tanks, beat the crap out of a drugged cyborg Ninja, and taken on an M1 tank with nothing but a packet of crisps and 2 grenades.
Even as an old **** he still managed to take out plenty of Gekko Metal Gears, beat RAY, get LAUCNHED OVERBOARD INTO A SHIP VIA A CATAPULT, beat the **** out of four crazy bitches and still have time for a smoke.
What's a man in a green suit going to do? Throw sticks at him?

Snake anyday.

One of Master Chief's first major missions involved him and a squad wiping out every single Covenant warrior on an entire planet. He's been in several hundred different missions, all of which were larger scale than anything that's happened in Metal Gear.

Hell, the first level of Halo 2 alone is more than anything that's ever happened in Metal Gear.

Someones enjoying Master Chief's company. The general consensus in this thread is that Snake would win, now, I'm not sure if that Master Chief fanboy helmet of yours is altering how you interpret that, but Snake would win. Anyday. Anytime. Anyplace. Xbox. 360. PS3. Wii. DS. PSP.

The first level of Halo 2? That was more like a bouncy castle fest.

Get over it. Seriously. You've argued with every Pro-Snake person in here, which is the vast majority, and quite frankly, you've failed.

 

How has he failed? He points out valid lore point which were dismissed as either 'fluff' or 'not apparent in gameplay', just because its not in the game doesn't invalid his argument, Halo has a very deep storyline that stretches games novels and comics, the majority of which is confirmed canon. The master chief can pop a kneecap at 120km, has bone density to survive g's that will squish Snake into paste, dexterity and speed so insane that he can move at a blur to the human eyes. He is an expert of every single type of martial art known to man and even without his armor can punch a hole through a regular human's chest.

He is a genetically modified super soldier with so much augmentation to his body that it is debatable if he is still human (meta-human).

It does not compute!!! Even if Snake somehow got close to the master chief, he CANNOT kill him in hand to hand, Snake even in his prime would not have the strength capable of snapping Master Chief's neck, and on top of that, the Chief's situational awareness is beyond human level, attempting to sneak up on him is a joke. Lets not even get started with range, the Master Chief's eyesight is sharper than a hawk and can spot a target before Snake could even see a spot in the horizon if he squints hard.

This is not a fair fight. It will never be unless Snake has had an equal amount of genetic and cybernetic augmentation and if you present a scenario like that then he is no longer Snake.

 




a small part of me is dies b/c sony fanboys are just....i am almost at a loss for words


you are doing nothing but hruting snakes rep now guys


*dam we can win this argumet b/c we have nothing to base it on...i know lets just say they are even and ignore the fact that it has been proven other wise......yeah that will work...and while i am at it the wii is a toy *

you guys are...i mean really? you cant still think a meta humane could lose to snake


i mean its been proven that he cant even break his neck yet you still go on saying it

it has been proven he isnt as fast as Chief yet you try to at like he is.....

please just admit defeat and move on with your lives



 

@Chalkblock... so now because i dont own the console means i dont like it? You ever heard of having college and not working... not being able to afford a 3rd console? Seriously, drop your pointless arguement as you sound really dumb... get on topic or leave?
OT : nice to see a bit of rivalry... but aint this thread going too far now? lol.
As for me... Heart says snake... but after reading up on Chiefs backstory... Mind says Chief.



                            

S.T.A.G.E. said:
Carl2291 said:
Sicilian. said:
Snake.... he created CQC and was cloned to be the greatest soldier to ever live... master chief would get his ass kicked...

 

 as we're talking SOLID snake... your wrong. CQC was created by The Boss and BigBoss.

 

CQC was not created by The Boss and BigBoss. It's a martial art primarily focused on self defense, but can be lethal. The actual military trains in it.


I know that ... but we're talking the games lol. In the games CQC was originally invented by The boss and Snake.

                            

it does not matter how good he is at CQC b/c e still does not have the physical strength to hurt master cheif