Well. PS3 outsold 360 in xmas 2007 it has been outselling 360 in entire 2008 except for two last months.

 And its not about those games being on 360 now, its about Sony (PS1) made those games popular. Sony doosent need 3rd party so much like 360. 360 need 3rd party because Microsoft's first party sucks. Sony's first party is way better than Microsoft's.

Sony doesen't care about gamers? Yea, and Microsoft carees A LOT about gamers when they gave them console with 33% faliure. THANK YOU MICROSOFT.  And it's well known fact that PS3 is more powerfull than 360. just google ''ps3 hardware'' and then ''360 hardware'' and you will see

^^microsoft gave us a 3 yera warranty. sony didnt give a shit about disk read error with the PS2. they actually got sude and had to settle it in 2005.

If the ps3 is stronger than 360 then why do most multiplatform games look better on 360. they run better too.

"Microsoft care's about it's gamers"... I'm not sure I'm with you on that one mirson ^^; I think I'm more along the lines of "Microsoft cares about Sony losing customers". From what I gather, MS hasn't done jack piss for they're audience.

Fighting for multi-plats instead of developing more exclusives which would be far more technically impressive on they're console. This is directly attempting to steal from the PS2 userbase instead of strengthening the xbox name.

33% (at least) failure rate from the get-go with just RROD >_>; (oh they're so loving! They'll do a fix for free!!!! yaaaay!!!!!!!, yeah not buying it. If they didn't They'd be sitting in court for years.)

Practically no thermal paste on it's heat sinks... like... almost none from the get-go. Thermal paste? I agree. Fuck that shit.

Not including a 5c rubber washer to prevent you from destroying your disc's? Really? Isn't MS supposed to be one of the wealthiest companies in the world @_@ Why cheap out on my washer? Or maybe you enjoy knowing that people who destroy they're disc's thanks to your BS setup have a chance at purchasing another copy? Who knows... This was a great move for it's gamers, and people who stock they're games ^_^ I'm sure they love when people "return damaged disc's"

$100 for a 20 gig hard drive. More than fair!

$80 for a wi-fi dongle (which got morbid reviews), that's bang per buck ;)

It's obvious they needed more R&D on the console, yet they released a year early. Did gamers really want it out that fast? NO. They wanted more support for they're @#$^!@#$@#$ xbox. Did MS care about you as a gamer then? That would be a no ^_^ They rushed the console that seemingly didn't do anything right at all, so they could get a head start.

$50 a year for the option to play with your friends. No other super function, simply to remove a limiter of sorts. Yeah that's real cute :P (Oh but it's for the upkeep of they're awesomness and sheer amazing!)... They're microsoft for god's sake >_> If Sony can do it, if Valve can do it. Figure this shit out please. This is a blatent rip off for customers and they don't give a shit. If anything they want....

Netflix on the 360 only works for gold subscribers! Why would you fight for a feature that only people who pay your stupid yearly fee can use? Because your a money grubbing leech on economy >_> Instead of it being enough to have a feature that your box has that the other doesn't, you decide to milk your fanbase. Bravo! They don't give a shit if you enjoy your games, they give a shit if you enjoy them while paying for live. The 360 is a gaming console after the fact that it's a ploy to get you sucked into paying for live.

I hear stories all the time about how the PSN is just copying XBL. Well if that's true (which it is to some extent), then why are you paying for live o.O? If the PSN is never far behind XBL, does it bother you that our almost equivalent service is free? How long till Sony rips off the party system? How long till PSN does everything that XBL does? Who cares, we haven't had to pay a dime the whole time we've been "ripping off" XBL live ideas :P And sadly, in a few cases, we beat out what live can offer ^^

That's my huge gripe with MS this gen. They seem less caring about what they can do for they're gamers, and more caring about how they can put the hurt on Sony. And I don't like it.

"That's my huge gripe with MS this gen. They seem less caring about what they can do for they're gamers, and more caring about how they can put the hurt on Sony. And I don't like it."

@ChronoTriggerJM- Good point, that's something I've noticed too. I'd prefer it if they focused on building up their 1st party development like Sony are doing, instead of trying to "steal" old PS franchises.

@The God of War. Exactly. Let the trouble times make the games multi-plat. They're doing a fine job without the assistance of MS buying time exclusive this, timed exclusive that, exclusive content here... They're just out for Sony's blood and they're using it's fanbase as a stepping stool to reach the pedestal -_-

How did this "Sony is awesome" thread turn into "MS is the devil" thread? OT please!

@Nightsurge, Well first it became reasons why Sony wasn't awesome. Then turned into things like Microsoft is awesome. Which in turned went full circled and became MS sucks ass :P I'm hoping with one more revolution we can get back to Sony is awesome ^_^

Sony is awesome cuz I say so! I cannot wait for Killzone 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you ever have any doubt the thread would end this way? 

PS: Sony is awesome.

1. The only one the J man experienced was frontlines: fuels of war and that had a dedicated server and was more than 16 players.

2. But what you were describing in your old post was the old dash because those were the J mans same experience with the old dash but were fixed with the new one  , and those titles dont have demos on xbl. L4D had a multiplayer demo for a little while but was taken out when L4D released.