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richardhutnik said:

Killzone 2 is getting hyped as some sort of PS3 savior.  One question on here even asked if the the XBox 360 could survive KZ2's "onslaught".  Anyone, can someone give any reason why Killzone 2 should have more sales than Resistance 2?  Please let me know where I am wrong regarding any of the following and if I missed anything:

1. At this point and time Resistance seems to be the flagship FPS for the PS3, already having two titles in the franchise.  Killzone appeared once on the PS2, and while had solid voice acting, didn't burn up the charts or make a difference.

2. Resistance 2 was promoted by Sony for the Christmas season.  KZ2 is to be released during an arguably slow time of the year.

3. KZ2 is the subject of industry jokes of how pre-rendered videos were marketed as actual gameplay.  This is an embarrassing stigma.  And while the latest clip looks promising, can anyone argue that it is "lightyears" beyond what was saw in Gears 2?

Given all these, can someone indicate why Killzone 2 would supplant the Resistance franchise as the flagship franchise and outsell it?  And, as far as being a gamechanger, a second question would be: Why would Killzone 2 happen to end up causing console FPS fans to buy a PS3 over a 360?  Is it because KZ2 is supposed to have bots?  Doesn't Gears 2 have bots?  I don't see it.  KZ2 is by some developer most of the world doesn't even know, while Halo had been by Bungie, and Gears by Epic, both of whom are known far more than the developer of Killzone.

Can someone answer these? And thus explain why KZ2 will outsell Resistance and also be a game changer to result in Sony getting an edge in games?

Aha. So, even if I make a thread telling people why this is illogical, people still post it. Very well, very well.

1) Yes, but Killzone 2 has a $60 million developer budget and twice the development time

2) Why do you think they did that? They did it so that (a) it wouldn't destroy R2's sales (b) it wouldn't get destroyed by the holiday lineup, especially CoD:WaW.

3) Except that it WAS actual gameplay. And yes, it looks lightyears beyond Gears 2. This is not just fanboy ramblings, I saw Gears 2 in action. The environment design was excellent, the character models...not so much.

Resistance was never a flagship franchise. No game that takes 7 weeks to hit a million sales is "flagship" anything. The PlayStation never had a flagship FPS franchise, they concentrated on other genres. When the PS3 was released, Sony wanted its first and second parties to make games for it, and something new. Insomniac decided to try an FPS, as an experiment. It got good reviews and sold well over 3 million copies, so they decided to make a sequel. It was never going to be a system seller, just a great FPS. Which it is.

I'm not saying Killzone 2 will be a system seller. It probably won't be. Maybe some people will want to pick it up, around +10k boost to the PS3 that week, but nothing on the scale of Gran Turismo or even MGS.

Epic are very well known developers, for the Unreal series, but nobody knew who the hell Bungie were until Halo. It didn't sell because of developer recognition, it sold because of quality and, more importantly, advertising. I don't think any other game has been marketed as much as Halo. Microsoft are excellent marketers, had that very same game which sold 6.5 million copies been PS2 exclusive, it probably wouldn't have sold over 4 million copies.

Bungie pre-Halo were no more famous than Guerilla Games is now. But if a miracle occurs and Sony, god forbid, learns how to market something, Killzone 2 could sell Halo levels. But Sony aren't that good. They will probably, due to aforementioned $60 million developer budget, market this more than they've ever marketed a game before, but not as much as Halo.

I'm expecting close to a million sales first week WW if this happens.

EDIT: Damn, I forgot to mention that Killzone 2 will be a hell of a lot better and get better reviews.

 



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PS3 doesn't need a savior, first of all.

2nd: KZ2 hype hurt R2, I believe.

3rd: KZ2 has the graphics to appeal to the mainstream that will buy a game even if it sucks, like Gears of War over Resistance 1 and GoW2 over R2 (not that GeoW sucks, but I think Resistance is better...opinions vary, I know).

4th: I will be in a clan for KZ2 so a lot of you guys should buy it =)



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Imthelegend said:
deathgod33 said:
resistance was released the same time as COD and that hurt its sales, KZ2 is all by itself in february.

And Febuary is the quietest time of the year to release a game. At least prior to xmas the sales should be huge. Febuary not so much.

 

It won't be that quiet, Capcom is releasing Street Fighter IV PS360 fighting game, Microsoft is releasing Halo Wars 360 rts (lol)and Ninja Blade 360...thing, Sony is releasing Killzone 2 PS3 FPSin the West and Demon's Souls PS3 crappy JRPG in Japan, Square Enix is releasing Star Ocean 4 Several weeks later 360 jrpg, not to mention the release of The Sims 3 PC simulation, Bionic Commando releasing quite a bit earlier, ps360 action adventure, and a lot of other games...

No direct competition for Killzone 2 like Call of Duty: World at War was to Resistance 2.

 



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@leo-j, where did you play it?

 

@OP, the reasons are many:

1 - Graphics: We've seen intresting pictures and videos proving the graphics on this game are of higher quality than any FPS we've seen on consoles. "Graphic Whores" some may call them, but how about simple realism-lovers? Games like this need good graphics and Killzone 2 is proving to be setting the bar for future HD games similar to its genre.

2 - Overhyping, like you said it. Overhyped games don't sell aswell as people want them to sell, but they usually sell very well regardless. LBP is a perfect example. The game's not been out long and it's already at 1.5M+ sales. Sure it didn't have a start that was expected by many, but the game surely sold and is selling well. Overhyping helps, specially when the game being overhyped is actually AAA worthy.

3 - Hardcore FPS game: Must I explain this? The PS3 and 360 are defined by hardcore games. That's a given. THE flagship hardcore game developed by Sony is Killzone 2. Who won't buy it? Also, there's no other game being developed for the PS3 (or 360) that fits in the genre, this is a plus for Killzone 2.

There are plenty more reasons, minor ones but still.

I just hope Sony starts to advertise the damn thing, it desserves it.



The reason I can think of is advertising.



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Imthelegend said:
GT5 is the last in line of PS3 saving games. GTA IV, MGS 4, LBP, R2 and now KZ2. These games were meant to bring the PS3 out of the doldrums and get it selling like the 360 is now.Or maybe if everything worked out right selling like the Wii. But although the sales have been good they haven't sold enough hardware to say any of these games really have been console sellers. And KZ2 will be the same IMO.

 

 



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it's not going to outsell R2. there's no way. it's going to sell 1.5 million tops. for reasons, message me. i've tried explaining it too many times.



bugrimmar said:
it's not going to outsell R2. there's no way. it's going to sell 1.5 million tops. for reasons, message me. i've tried explaining it too many times.

And I've tried explaining why it will destroy Resistance 2 in sales too many times.

Sigh.

If nothing else, it has no Call of Duty counterpart. That in itself will raise sales.



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You know what? One last push.

GTA2: http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=5163&region=All.
3.42 million sales

GTA3: http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=891&region=All.
11.60 million sales

The sales of a predecessor do not determine the sales of a game.



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gta 2 and gta 3 have a huge difference between them: 2d vs 3d.

killzone 1 and killzone 2 have only a difference in graphics. they're the same game, only with prettier makeup.

so your comparison is unfair.