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Christ dude! It's not making things up. The OP pointed out a seeming inconsistancy, and Stick gave a possible explaination for it. It was a possible explaination for the inconsistancy. It wasn't a statement of fact, it was a guess for how these numbers ended up as they were.

When he's saying about Sunday happening in either November or December he is making things up. He has no reason to think that. Hypotesis may be either made up completly or may be supported by evidence. I would prefer to end continue this topic.

On the other hand, your immediate guess, I would assume, would be that VGChartz overtracked the 360, and that's the explaination you hope for. It is not, however, a foregone conclusion, and it's "making things up" just as much as stick's thoughtful answer. It's just lazy.

My claim is supproted by MS spin. As I agree that there still is a room for debate it's not made up.

Instead of criticizing, why don't you try coming up with your own content as a poster.

I did. Read my post about ELSPA and GFK Italy monthly awards/hardware releases.

This thread has raised my blood-pressure. I am very upset with some posters here, so I'm gonna log off for a while.

Sure but I would be grateful if you wouldn't use word "Christ" when speaking to me.



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kamil said:

When he's saying about Sunday happening in either November or December he is making things up. He has no reason to think that. Hypotesis may be either made up completly or may be supported by evidence. I would prefer to end continue this topic.

My claim is supproted by MS spin. As I agree that there still is a room for debate it's not made up.

kamil, as a business analyst for a video game company (I work for one, FYI), here's the problem I have with the debate, and why I'm having a problem with you saying I am 'making things up':

When you produce weekly or monthly reports, and aggregate the numbers for a given timeframe, you usually go by a very specific day to end your reporting on - either Saturday, or Sunday. The reason for this is that GfK, Chart Track, and NPD are all requesting data, by their affilates (the retailers) to be aggregated on a given day each week, rather than from November 1st through November 30th, they are asking from a specific Monday through a specific Sunday (or Sun-Sat tracking). The reason for this is that said services don't have aggregators in place within the affilates Point of Sales systems to check the data using simple monthly numbers.

Because of this knowledge, here are the facts:

  • There were 4 Sundays in November 2007: 4th, 11th, 18th, and 25th
  • There were 4 Saturdays in November 2007: 3rd, 11th, 18th, and 25th
  • There were 5 Sundays in November 2008: 2nd, 9th, 16th, 23rd, and 30th
  • There were 5 Saturdays in November 2008: 1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th

Why is this so critical to the questioning of the data sets? Because (again) I work as a data analyst for a video game company. I aggregate our reports based on a Mon-Sun cycle, and had 5 reports for the said month. So if we didn't have the ability to track everything on a MTD basis (we do, but again, NPD, GfK nor Chart Track do not), we would be, most likely, going on a 5-week report for sales in November. NPD doesn't do it that way (as stated, they do a 4-4-5 which would mean their sets may be 4 weeks this year).

Problem is with that idea, in this case, it would leave certain days out with a 4-week data set. Because of the fact there would be missing days under a 4-week data set, I would think there's enough reason to question the 124% YoY increase vs. what VGC is showing. Could you indeed be right, and they use a 4 week set, and the actuals show that the X360 only increased 124% from last year (and even this assumes that VGC had the right figures for last year - for all we know, VGC could have undertracked the X360 last year, and been on the money this year)? Sure, but I think there's enough reason to say 'hey, rather than rave like lunatics over 2 PR firms fighting over scraps, lets wait till we see actual values for the month, and not random percentages'. Because again - we don't have solid values for this year, nor last year in November, do we?

 



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

So if VGchartz numbers are the same as the other trackers they're stealing data and if its different its flat out wrong?

Or if VGchartz data says your console of choice is selling better the data is correct and if it isn't the data is wrong?

Gosh guys, VGchartz is a free service! Its a broad look at the market, if you want something better go pay for the data! If VGchartz is wildly wrong things will be fixed to a certain degree eventually, most trackers don't do that. So I wouldn't be overly worried.

What a waste of time.



mrstickball,

If that was the case then i am sure MS would have clarified. We all know that they will want to show that price cut was huge success (which it was but not on scale VGz is estimating).

Remember in recent times MS is saying that they are outselling PS3 in EU, they don't mention that its ahead overall. So if it indeed was ahead of PS3 in EU then i am sure they would have mentioned it in latest PR.



with so many musing thread showing huge xbox 360 demand, then it is a good year and month for xbox 360



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go vgchartz!!!



Stickball is right....

You'll see all the time how PR reports say "sales are up 25% this month" and they compare a 5 week month to a 4 week month. But the average weekly sales would be the same.

Yes that is misleading and borderline dishonest, but that is how PR works.



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ZenfoldorVGI said:

Ok, I'm confused here. Some guy with a MGS4 avatar fails to give any outside data whatsoever, and is strictly going by a statistical percentage for one area of others...and you guys give him credit because he is stubborn and refuses to give on any point?

I don't really get into all this sales stuff, but I do know a few things about statistics, and how they aren't accurate.

This proves absolutely nothing. The only reason this thread is being taken seriously is because you guys are making it serious. There is no evidence here. Just inference. If the PS3 is over-tracked or now, or the 360, we won't know, ever. These are estimation sites, for Europe, not Others. VGChartz is an estimation site. These are estimates. Even with the shipped information, we are still estimating.

This kind of "gotcha" reasoning using vague marketing language wouldn't hold up anywhere. Without the original assertion here, everything shanbcn has wrote here is designed to discredit this site. Not only does he deserve to be owned by someone who does know something about numbers(if he's right or not), but he deserves to be banned.

This isn't a discussion. It's a pissing contest complete with biased and hatred aimed not at fanboys but at VGChartz itself, and it makes me sick.

In my thread yesterday, I told about how the PS3 fanbase make or break review sites based on percieved bias. Well, I didn't want to mention it, but VGChartz is the worst victim of the PS3 fanboy power. Early in the race, when the PS3 was selling quite poorly, Sony fans killed the messenger, as it were. The consequence was so much bitching about VGChartz, that the average casual forum goer took the fanboy complaining as a generally accepted fact.

The internet is such a childish and petty place. Human nature at its rawest. Spiteful and rude. That's how I'd describe this thread, if it has a point or not.

 

Couldn't have said it better myself.



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I'm pretty confused. Let's wait for shipments figures right?



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