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rocketpig on 12 November 2008

The only way Apple enters the console market is through AppleTV.

And that isn't selling very well so don't hold your breath waiting for an Apple console.

As for patents, everyone is up in arms about Apple and videogames once or twice a year after new patents are discovered. Apple is constantly creating patents for various things, most of which never see the light of day.




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Party Monster on 12 November 2008

Appletendo Vs. MicroSony



sethnintendo on 12 November 2008

@kitler53, I agree with you that they will sell a lot of hardware and games with these devices. However, I don't think that someone interested in portable games will just buy the Apple device. While they will make money it isn't going to take away that much market from Nintendo or Sony. Apple pretty much realizes that this is just another way to make money and sure they might have a future in gaming. However, gaming is a tough market to get into and can result in a massive failure.



Gamerace on 12 November 2008

Bottom line, if the Itouch and IPhone keep selling like crazy then that opens a mass market for games. Your not going to see Grand Thief Auto on Ipod Touch due to interface (then again we said that about DS) but that doesn't mean it can't sell many millions of games of some sort.



 

kitler53 on 12 November 2008
Resident_Hazard said:
kitler53 said:
theprof00 said:
kitler, while those are all really great reasons, it leaves a company like apple in a state like, "shit let's do it, where do we start".
Then we have another overpriced console that does the same thing as another one but forces us to pick between hardware as if we didn't pay enough in hardware as it is.

 

i think you're missing my point though.

the iphone/itouch has been out for 2 years (i think) without any apps store.  and yet people were buying it.  now suddenly those tens of millions of people (guessing here, idk the actual numbers) wake up one day and find out they already have a gaming device in their pockets. instant market.

okay sure, maybe the hardcorez wont buy one specificaly to game but it doesn't matter. nintendo has already proved that you can make billions of dollars a year selling games without the hardcorez.

games or no games - i will have an iphone this febuary once my current contact expires.  you can be sure that i will check out any apps the iphone supports and will gladly put out a few bucks for a quality title.  it's not as direct of an approach as when MS entered the gaming market but slowly and surely apple is going to become a major player because there is basically no way for them to fail: their product will find its way into consumers hand with or without developer support.

 

 

You're guess is way off. EGM's actual numbers on installed iPhone userbase was about 6 million.  Not "tens of millions." That's an awful lot less than the roughly 85 million DS's and 40 million PSP's.  And not everyone who buys an iPhone is going to be focused on the gaming aspects, so the number is likely quite a bit less than 6 million potential iPhone gaming customers. 

 

Although, and keep this in mind as it was revealed by IGN on the Wii channel some months back, Apple patented Wiimote-like technology.  But for what purpose?  Their success with everything-i has given them money in the bank.  I wouldn't be surprised if Apple stepped in to the gaming industry in the next generation.  If they tried to come out in the current generation, they'd be buried beneath the current 3 market owners.  They wouldn't have any recognizable or important 1st party wares to compete against Nintendo, MS, or Sony, and they'd no doubt have some trouble getting 3rd party companies to actually jump on-board because they'll all already have millions invested in Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony.

No doubt, they're using the iPhone to test the waters. 

source: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/IPhone_sales_exceed_BlackBerry?curid=116480

"According to tech analysts Canalys, the number of iPhones shipped in the third quarter of 2008 was 6.8 million, while RIM shipped 6.1 million BlackBerry phones"

source: http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/calgarybusiness/story.html?id=af1af663-05e9-4f79-98de-3698ca7678cc

"Apple sold a record 6.89 million iPhones last quarter, said chief executive steve Jobs"

 

edit: i can't find sales data for the itouch which you seem to keep forgeting exists and has full access to the apps store and all of its games.



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kitler53 on 12 November 2008
sethnintendo said:
@kitler53, I agree with you that they will sell a lot of hardware and games with these devices. However, I don't think that someone interested in portable games will just buy the Apple device. While they will make money it isn't going to take away that much market from Nintendo or Sony. Apple pretty much realizes that this is just another way to make money and sure they might have a future in gaming. However, gaming is a tough market to get into and can result in a massive failure.

 

i have to agree with the first part - apple isn't going to put anyone out of business or anything.  the gaming market is expanding and apple is going to fill a portion of that specifically with the mainstream (or if you prefer casual) gamers. i doubt sony/ms will feel their presence any more then the already have from nintendo's wii/ds but i think nintendo won't see as much growth as they would if apple didn't exist (which isn't to say nintedo won't see considerable growth this gen).

to the second part - there is just no way they can fail.  the iphone/itouch isn't a loss-lead strategy, the hardware will sell regardless of the existance of quality gaming as it's first and foremost a music player.   worst case situation - they don't get significatant developer support and therefore only make a moderate amount of money on "shovelware".  there is just so little risk for apple right now that they'd be idiots not to try breaking into gaming.



Mummelmann on 12 November 2008

I've never in my life owned an Apple product and I somehow don't see a console changing that any time soon...



famousringo on 12 November 2008
kitler53 said:
Resident_Hazard said:

You're guess is way off. EGM's actual numbers on installed iPhone userbase was about 6 million.  Not "tens of millions." That's an awful lot less than the roughly 85 million DS's and 40 million PSP's.  And not everyone who buys an iPhone is going to be focused on the gaming aspects, so the number is likely quite a bit less than 6 million potential iPhone gaming customers. 

 

Although, and keep this in mind as it was revealed by IGN on the Wii channel some months back, Apple patented Wiimote-like technology.  But for what purpose?  Their success with everything-i has given them money in the bank.  I wouldn't be surprised if Apple stepped in to the gaming industry in the next generation.  If they tried to come out in the current generation, they'd be buried beneath the current 3 market owners.  They wouldn't have any recognizable or important 1st party wares to compete against Nintendo, MS, or Sony, and they'd no doubt have some trouble getting 3rd party companies to actually jump on-board because they'll all already have millions invested in Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony.

No doubt, they're using the iPhone to test the waters. 

source: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/IPhone_sales_exceed_BlackBerry?curid=116480

"According to tech analysts Canalys, the number of iPhones shipped in the third quarter of 2008 was 6.8 million, while RIM shipped 6.1 million BlackBerry phones"

source: http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/calgarybusiness/story.html?id=af1af663-05e9-4f79-98de-3698ca7678cc

"Apple sold a record 6.89 million iPhones last quarter, said chief executive steve Jobs"

 

edit: i can't find sales data for the itouch which you seem to keep forgeting exists and has full access to the apps store and all of its games.

 

And these iPhone quarterly numbers are very comparable to what the DS sold in a quarter. Let me say that again, the iPhone userbase is growing at a similar pace to that of the DS! Add in iPod Touch sales and you find a platform which is growing in size faster than any console or handheld which VGChartz tracks.

Of course, the point that most people aren't buying this platform for games stands, but that is what Apple is trying to change here. Nintendo and Sony had better hope Apple doesn't manage to pull it off.

Edit: Throwing a LOL in here because I don't want to steal the last word from kitler.



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kitler53 on 12 November 2008
famousringo said:
kitler53 said:
Resident_Hazard said:...
...

 

And these iPhone quarterly numbers are very comparable to what the DS sold in a quarter. Let me say that again, the iPhone userbase is growing at a similar pace to that of the DS! Add in iPod Touch sales and you find a platform which is growing in size faster than any console or handheld which VGChartz tracks.

Of course, the point that most people aren't buying this platform for games stands, but that is what Apple is trying to change here. Nintendo and Sony had better hope Apple doesn't manage to pull it off.

 

on the one hand - i completely agree with you.

on the other hand - i want the last word. xD



ROBOTECHHEAVEN on 12 November 2008

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