also x360 has 1 year advantage in developer experience...

 let's focus the problem:

do you bought a console for its power or for games???

first case:

choose now an x360.

then when  ps3 price will eventually drop go buy a ps3 

this because AT THIS MOMENT x360 development has reached is middle life and games are solid 

BUT IN FUTURE ps3 will have most powerful games(graphic speaking).

ps:

consoles uses in order becouse has a good ratio performance/price...

this is the only reason...(IMHO...but at 90% it's true)

second case:

go buy a wii immediately

 and then on price drop a ps3/x360...

this because if we focus on games wii is most developer friendly console.

games for ps3 and x360 are now first gen...starting with halo3 we will see second gen x360 games(forza2 graphically it's not such an advance).

and maybe next year second gen games for ps3...  

the real problem for sony is that NOWDAYS they priced ps3 out of target for most people...

this strategy linking movie and game industry is failing...

bluray players without ps3 are not much more than hd-dvd...

forcing movies companies to adopt bluray maybe will not be a good strategy on long term...

I dont agree that X360 is more powerful than PS3 cos PS3 came out 1 year later, with a bulkier price, and almost everyone out there including John Carmack (Doom & Quake creator) confirmed this BUT...

It still does NOT rule out the fact that Sony exaggerates the figures more than their competitors and many of the things they have been claiming have proven to be total bogus. Remember the so called 360K Polygon count for PS1 or the overhyped Emotion Engine (PS2) which proved nothing stronger than a regular Pentium II 450 and was easily beaten by GC. IMO, PS3 is considerably stronger than X360 but the difference is less than that between Xbox and PS2, while the programming for PS3 is horrendous compared to X360, which is also a lot more efficient than PS3 thanks to Software experience and powerhouse of MS. Remember what John Carmack had said (more or less)...

"PS3 is more powerfull while Xbox 360 has the best tools available on the market. Its basically a trade off and We would rather a 50% easier development tools than a 20% faster hardware. MS seems to have done everything right this time and we will be moving into Xbox 360 soon as our main development house"

Like other friends also said, How strong a machine has an influence only on hardcore gaming minority and has very little affect on the casual gamers, who are moved by the BRAND NAME. If PS3 will sell more than X360, its not gonna be because its more powerful but its because It has a very big brand name and a good reputation unlike Xbox.

The thing is that it doesn't matter how powerful the Cell is. No matter how much it is touted, that doesn't make it anything more than the strongest link in a chain, and graphical processing is like a chain. 

For one, this is a message board, i dont give a shit if I miss type something.

Two, yes I get paid.

Three, never trust wtf WikiPedia says. It's easily edited. I've edited a bunch of gaming pages for consoles from the 3DO to the Wii because of false information being posted about them in each article.

Four, most CPUs and GPUs are switching from Silicon to bio-silicon. Both AMD and Intel are also trying to cut use of silicon anyways by cutting dye size as small as they can. 

Five, I've coded my own OS before, an OS is nothing more then an application that runs other applications. It runs however you code it.

Six, OoO processing isnt optional, Intel even stated they have no plans of making an Io processor till 2012.

Seven, I dont care if you take me seriously because you fail to understand the difference between typing on a message board and typing sometihng up for work.  

Its easy as this:

PS3 CPU is more powerful than X360, that's obvious

GPU wise, can't compare because it's a different architecture, X360 has 8 Raster Operators, higher memory bandwidth, free AA because of the embedded RAM and 48 shaders pipelines on a Unified Shader architecture

PS3 has 16 Raster Operators, 24 traditional pipelines (shader, texture and pixel), has lower memory bandwidth but the GPU has higher clock, by 50 Mhz

Both have a 128-bit memory interface with GDDR3, just like the Wii.

In theory, the X360 GPU isnt more powerful, but its more advanced, because suposedly games are becoming more shader oriented, and the X360 pretty much pwnz the PS3 on that. Even when the PS3 was released a year later than the X360, its GPU was released in 2005.


PS: Did you know that in past generation, the PS2 had the most powerful CPU and the Xbox had the least powerful? And viceversa for the GPU :P

1. Another reason to just ignore you! btw. there is a big difference between making up stuff and misstyping !

2. I hope they didn't read your post then, they might claim back everything, :)

3. I didn't just rely on wiki to tell the difference between OoOE and IOE, but i gave to you as a reference, cause your understanding was waaaay off. I read the article and it's fine but feel free to ignore it!

4. I think you are making it up, the bio silicon part! Some may research it, but i'm sure there are no real results.

Even if there are, it might just take decades before you get them!

btw: Of course they always try to reduce dye size, but thats not the point!

5. Optimizing the OS to perform well with IOE CPUs can't lead to results, cause the application does the "computations" and not the OS, hence the application needs optimisations: So your whole "Give me the MAC OS "In Order Edition" so my PS3 rocks" point is totally off.

   BTW: I can't believe you wrote your own OS! Cause:

    - You are 19 or 20 i guess

    - you are playing and posting non stop, you don't have the time, to refine your skills.

    - You got no clue, what an OS does! It's not just running applications, it's managing the hardware resources     too, for instance.

    - i had a look at your coooolllll homepage http://gamingjustice.com

            "I'm Matt, 20 years old and a gamer since 16 years!"  

            "Join my company to build our own Computergame, if you join the size of our staff grows to 2"

       Thats doesn't look like the homepage of a gifted programmer, so i believe you are making it up again !

    btw: i'm a programmer by trade and i would NEVER try or just claim to build my own OS.

6. It's optional! Just cause AMD and Intel don't have them, doesn't mean there aren't ones.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIA_C7 -> Maybe the last IOE x86 compatible CPU.

    And don't forget the usual PPC comes in OoOE-architecture, just the consoles, got slim'd down Versions.

7. So it's OK, to lie if nobody pays you ? In most cases it's the other way around!

You lie if somebody pays you! /jk

*sees the title of the thread*
Oh boy! This should be fun to watch!

*grabs some popcorn and a big gulp, gets comfortable, looks foward to reading the ensuing chaos*

There are some more differences .For instance ,the PS3 doesnt have 24 pipelines ....it has 24 only for shader operations and 8 for vertex operators .That makes a total of 32 .Wel ,those 32 pipelines work at some 5.7 operations per cycle .....in contrast with the 48 pipelines of the X360 that work at 4 operations per cycle .Add to that that the RSX as some 50Mhz cycles in excess over the 360 GPu and you have a picture that tells all .RSX can do some 100 Billion shader operations per second and the X360 96 .Yes ,the 360 has a more modern arquitechture with the unified pipelines but that doesnt mean it is more powerful .Its more modern ,more flexible ,etc ...but not more powerful ,the RSX just has a lot of muscle .And we are always forgetting the Cell .Each SPU can process shader and vertex code at 128 bits and 3200mhz .They could add tons of shader operations running in one or two SPU without slowing down the GPU.FInally the duo Cell+RSX as more graphical muscle that the combination Xenos-Xenon .

Nice Job find one of my more currect projects. That project started less then two weeks ago. Try looking up information on past websites I've been the co-founder of. Cosmic-Anime, Anime-XT, Team D!M, Team Excaliber, EAF Clan, Vipers Tail.

I'm makiing plans with the guys who work for Doom Labs to work together on some of my game ideas.

Plus when did I ever say I was this sick programmer? I'm a writer, poet, and Web Developer. I never said I did all the work on my OS did I? I did have help from the guys from TerraSoft. I do have my connections, many thanks to Anime-XT =] 

SSJ12, you've confused pre-emptive multitasking with out-of-order processing.  This, among your many other ridiculous claims leads me to believe you're nowhere near capable of writing an operating system.

In general, comparing the PS3 hardware to the 360 hardware is even less useful than comparing the Xbox/Gamecube/PS2 hardwares.  They're both HD, they both have lots of graphics horsepower and fast, multicore CPUs.  As has happened in the past, but even more so this time, these two systems will differentiate themselves by their software, not their hardware.