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Rath on 06 August 2008
kingofwale said:
The Mann said:

All ps3 fanboys revert to your last hope. VGchartz numbers were more in line with sonys shipment reports then NPD's were..

 

if you don't take in account of what Sony had in store before the current quarter of shipment.. as well as making assumptions of how many is left in store after the period.

kinda silly for us to say "oh, sony's shipment number.. *blah blah blah*.. when we dismiss openly of any company's shipment number as "just shipped, not sold to customers"

If your numbers are somewhat under the shipped numbers at that point in time then you are probably about correct - shipped numbers cannot be used as sell through but they can be used to help verify it.

@Yakuzaice. Sony's quaterly report had their shipped numbers and VGC's numbers made sense in comparison with their shipped numbers.

 



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Yakuzaice on 06 August 2008
Rath said:
kingofwale said:
The Mann said:

All ps3 fanboys revert to your last hope. VGchartz numbers were more in line with sonys shipment reports then NPD's were..

 

if you don't take in account of what Sony had in store before the current quarter of shipment.. as well as making assumptions of how many is left in store after the period.

kinda silly for us to say "oh, sony's shipment number.. *blah blah blah*.. when we dismiss openly of any company's shipment number as "just shipped, not sold to customers"

If your numbers are somewhat under the shipped numbers at that point in time then you are probably about correct - shipped numbers cannot be used as sell through but they can be used to help verify it.

@Yakuzaice. Sony's quaterly report had their shipped numbers and VGC's numbers made sense in comparison with their shipped numbers.

 

That has nothing to do with what I am talking about.  He said VGC is more accurate than NPD due to Sony's shipped numbers.  Those numbers have no bearing on VGC's or NPD's accuracy in the United States.

 



kingofwale on 06 August 2008
Rath said:
kingofwale said:
The Mann said:

All ps3 fanboys revert to your last hope. VGchartz numbers were more in line with sonys shipment reports then NPD's were..

 

if you don't take in account of what Sony had in store before the current quarter of shipment.. as well as making assumptions of how many is left in store after the period.

kinda silly for us to say "oh, sony's shipment number.. *blah blah blah*.. when we dismiss openly of any company's shipment number as "just shipped, not sold to customers"

If your numbers are somewhat under the shipped numbers at that point in time then you are probably about correct - shipped numbers cannot be used as sell through but they can be used to help verify it.

@Yakuzaice. Sony's quaterly report had their shipped numbers and VGC's numbers made sense in comparison with their shipped numbers.

 

 

It's hard to use it to verify anything when you don't know how many you started with... or how many you have left. Yes, you can estimate, but then you would be off by up to 0.5 million... a huge difference for a weekly tracking website.



Soriku (Feb 10/08): In 5 years the PS3/360 will be dead.

KH3 bet: "If KH3 comes to Wii exclusive, I will take a 1 month of sig/avatar by otheres open a thread apologize and praise you guys' brilliance." http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=50&id=18379
Original cast: Badonkadonkhr, sc94597 allaboutthegames885, kingofwale, Soriku, ctk495, skeezer, RDBRaptor, Mirson,

Episode 1: OOPSY!
selnor: Too Human I even expect 3-4 mill entire life and 500,000 first day. GoW2 ( expect 7 - 9 million entire life and over 2 mill first day), Fable 2 (expect 5-6 million entire life and 1.5 mill fist day) BK3 (expect 4 - 5 mill sales entire life and 1 mill first day).. Tales/IU/TLR should get to 2 or 3 million! post id: 868878
Episode 2:
Letsdance: FFXIII (PS3+360) first week in NA = 286K
According to pre-order rate in week 13 (post id: 2902544)
kingofwale on 06 August 2008
PDF said:
We will see.

 

and then what? How many months now have ioi overtracking 360 while undertracking PS3 (relative to 360)?? And what's then?

with ioi staying by his number, we will have a situation of NDP showing one number, while VGC showing completely different one.



Soriku (Feb 10/08): In 5 years the PS3/360 will be dead.

KH3 bet: "If KH3 comes to Wii exclusive, I will take a 1 month of sig/avatar by otheres open a thread apologize and praise you guys' brilliance." http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=50&id=18379
Original cast: Badonkadonkhr, sc94597 allaboutthegames885, kingofwale, Soriku, ctk495, skeezer, RDBRaptor, Mirson,

Episode 1: OOPSY!
selnor: Too Human I even expect 3-4 mill entire life and 500,000 first day. GoW2 ( expect 7 - 9 million entire life and over 2 mill first day), Fable 2 (expect 5-6 million entire life and 1.5 mill fist day) BK3 (expect 4 - 5 mill sales entire life and 1 mill first day).. Tales/IU/TLR should get to 2 or 3 million! post id: 868878
Episode 2:
Letsdance: FFXIII (PS3+360) first week in NA = 286K
According to pre-order rate in week 13 (post id: 2902544)
The Mann on 06 August 2008
kingofwale said:
PDF said:
We will see.

 

and then what? How many months now have ioi overtracking 360 while undertracking PS3 (relative to 360)?? And what's then?

with ioi staying by his number, we will have a situation of NDP showing one number, while VGC showing completely different one.

 

What gives you the idea that there is NO ps3 supply issues?



08' Year End Predictions

Wii: 46 Million
Xbox 360: 26 Million
PS3: 22 Million

Sale Predictions:

Gears Of War 2 - 7 Million
Fable 2 - 3 Million
Left 4 Dead - 1.5 Million
Infinite Undiscovery - 700k
Tales Of Vesperia - 550k
The Last Remnant - 700k
Ninja Gaiden - 800k LTD [?] On its way.
Banjo-Kazooie N&B - 2 Million
Lost Odyssey - 500k LTD [X] surpassed
Too Human - 1.4 Million

 

 

 

 

 

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kingofwale on 06 August 2008
The Mann said:
kingofwale said:
PDF said:
We will see.

 

and then what? How many months now have ioi overtracking 360 while undertracking PS3 (relative to 360)?? And what's then?

with ioi staying by his number, we will have a situation of NDP showing one number, while VGC showing completely different one.

 

What gives you the idea that there is NO ps3 supply issues?

major retailers websites showing PS3 in store? As well as numerous account of vgc users stating they've seen PS3 in stock.

Working at bestbuy myself, I can see from the internal website that there are PS3 in tons of supply in everystore.

 



Soriku (Feb 10/08): In 5 years the PS3/360 will be dead.

KH3 bet: "If KH3 comes to Wii exclusive, I will take a 1 month of sig/avatar by otheres open a thread apologize and praise you guys' brilliance." http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=50&id=18379
Original cast: Badonkadonkhr, sc94597 allaboutthegames885, kingofwale, Soriku, ctk495, skeezer, RDBRaptor, Mirson,

Episode 1: OOPSY!
selnor: Too Human I even expect 3-4 mill entire life and 500,000 first day. GoW2 ( expect 7 - 9 million entire life and over 2 mill first day), Fable 2 (expect 5-6 million entire life and 1.5 mill fist day) BK3 (expect 4 - 5 mill sales entire life and 1 mill first day).. Tales/IU/TLR should get to 2 or 3 million! post id: 868878
Episode 2:
Letsdance: FFXIII (PS3+360) first week in NA = 286K
According to pre-order rate in week 13 (post id: 2902544)
Cougarman on 06 August 2008

the slow ps3 sells are mainly because of the 80gb announcement, new 80gb sku with DS3 at the same price as 40gb but it will come next month, most people are probably waiting for the better deal, i know i would



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The Mann on 06 August 2008
kingofwale said:
The Mann said:
kingofwale said:
PDF said:
We will see.

 

and then what? How many months now have ioi overtracking 360 while undertracking PS3 (relative to 360)?? And what's then?

with ioi staying by his number, we will have a situation of NDP showing one number, while VGC showing completely different one.

 

What gives you the idea that there is NO ps3 supply issues?

major retailers websites showing PS3 in store? As well as numerous account of vgc users stating they've seen PS3 in stock.

Working at bestbuy myself, I can see from the internal website that there are PS3 in tons of supply in everystore.

 

 

Well I recall a few people who also work at bestbuy on this site that go against what you just said. Contradicting information? I personally have seen only a FEW Playstation 3's in stock and all of those were 40GB.



08' Year End Predictions

Wii: 46 Million
Xbox 360: 26 Million
PS3: 22 Million

Sale Predictions:

Gears Of War 2 - 7 Million
Fable 2 - 3 Million
Left 4 Dead - 1.5 Million
Infinite Undiscovery - 700k
Tales Of Vesperia - 550k
The Last Remnant - 700k
Ninja Gaiden - 800k LTD [?] On its way.
Banjo-Kazooie N&B - 2 Million
Lost Odyssey - 500k LTD [X] surpassed
Too Human - 1.4 Million

 

 

 

 

 

11ht11 on 06 August 2008

what if the ps3 is just not selling?



kingofwale on 06 August 2008
Cougarman said:
the slow ps3 sells are mainly because of the 80gb announcement, new 80gb sku with DS3 at the same price as 40gb but it will come next month, most people are probably waiting for the better deal, i know i would

I don't remember PS3 sales dropped this much in the eve of MGS bundle announcment.

 

we aren't talking about a bit drop that's due to new sku introduction, we are talking about 60% drops. A drop that ioi stated it was from "shortage". I am very interested to see ioi backing that up. Because i have not seen shortage whatsoever.



Soriku (Feb 10/08): In 5 years the PS3/360 will be dead.

KH3 bet: "If KH3 comes to Wii exclusive, I will take a 1 month of sig/avatar by otheres open a thread apologize and praise you guys' brilliance." http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=50&id=18379
Original cast: Badonkadonkhr, sc94597 allaboutthegames885, kingofwale, Soriku, ctk495, skeezer, RDBRaptor, Mirson,

Episode 1: OOPSY!
selnor: Too Human I even expect 3-4 mill entire life and 500,000 first day. GoW2 ( expect 7 - 9 million entire life and over 2 mill first day), Fable 2 (expect 5-6 million entire life and 1.5 mill fist day) BK3 (expect 4 - 5 mill sales entire life and 1 mill first day).. Tales/IU/TLR should get to 2 or 3 million! post id: 868878
Episode 2:
Letsdance: FFXIII (PS3+360) first week in NA = 286K
According to pre-order rate in week 13 (post id: 2902544)