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thismeintiel on 12 January 2020
yvanjean said:

Oh, man, you got the detailed specs of both machines?  Do share.

Well everything is rumored and speculation except:

Microsoft quote: The new Xbox Series X. Fastest and most powerful.   

Sony --> Jim Ryan was quoted last month about their desire to move PS4 players to PS5 "at a scale and pace we've never delivered on before".

He went on to say "When we look at this transition and the ambition to do things at a scale and pace that we haven't seen, we have to look at ourselves and make certain changes."

Every thing else people might say is clearly rumors and speculation except for these quotes. The only thing we know for sure is that Xbox Series X will be more powerful and will most certainly cost more.  

MS said it was the fastest, most powerful console THEY have made. Not the fastest, most powerful console ever. Everything else is just speculation.

The Xbox HW director also said this, "Serious question, not looking for toxicity or box wars. Why do people want to know specs of anything so far in advance? Will it change what you buy since it will be same day of launch? To me it's like movie spoilers I don't want to know until I buy my movie ticket."

That's not the quote of someone who knows for sure that they have the most powerful box.



 

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yvanjean on 12 January 2020
thismeintiel said:
yvanjean said:

Well everything is rumored and speculation except:

Microsoft quote: The new Xbox Series X. Fastest and most powerful.   

Sony --> Jim Ryan was quoted last month about their desire to move PS4 players to PS5 "at a scale and pace we've never delivered on before".

He went on to say "When we look at this transition and the ambition to do things at a scale and pace that we haven't seen, we have to look at ourselves and make certain changes."

Every thing else people might say is clearly rumors and speculation except for these quotes. The only thing we know for sure is that Xbox Series X will be more powerful and will most certainly cost more.  

MS said it was the fastest, most powerful console THEY have made. Not the fastest, most powerful console ever. Everything else is just speculation.

The Xbox HW director also said this, "Serious question, not looking for toxicity or box wars. Why do people want to know specs of anything so far in advance? Will it change what you buy since it will be same day of launch? To me it's like movie spoilers I don't want to know until I buy my movie ticket."

That's not the quote of someone who knows for sure that they have the most powerful box.

https://www.xbox.com/en-us/consoles/xbox-series-x?source=lp

The quote is "The new Xbox Series X. Fastest. Most Powerful."  

Also, I like how your ignoring that Sony wants the fastest transition and have already spoken many time on affordability. They have also hinted that there will only be one PS5 hardware at launch 2020.

Totoki-san explained that Sony is "analyzing the cost, the acceptable price in the market, and platform penetration,” all of which seems to indicate that the company has set its sights on making the PS5 affordable enough that it'll be off to a running start, rather than being so expensive as to leave gamers hesitant to fork out for the upgrade to next gen. He added that Sony is still “very conscious of the level of profit for investors and for the marketplace.”

Edit: here the link to Totoki-san quote https://www.t3.com/features/ps5-price-officially-addressed-as-sonys-hiroki-totoki-speaks

Sure it's speculation but all of Sony current statement seem to match every speculation that Sony "plan on winning next-gen simply by repeating history with big exclusives, a low-cost console, and carrying forward 100 million people's games to the PS5."

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/69559/399-playstation-5-conquer-next-gen/index.html

But clearly you seem to know better? Hey don't get me wrong, Sony plan to make PS5 the most affordable next gen could easily win them the next gen. But, I'm not the one trying to deny that Xbox Series X won't be more powerful then PS5. 

I personally think it's pretty clear that Microsoft will make a more powerful console at higher price point while Sony will make an affordable PS5 console that is intended to have mass appeal. 



Mr Puggsly on 12 January 2020
PotentHerbs said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I didnt say GTAV and Skyrim were common for 7th gen. I am stressing ambitious games dont need cutting edge specs. People are speaking as if X1 is too weak for ambitious games, but GTAV and Skyrim are still more ambitious than many modern games.

PS3 had the most amazing CPU ever created. I doubt Last Guardian was suffering from that. I dont buy that argument.

Games didnt really jump to significantly in complexity this gen, I argue it was more visual but thats my opinion. The large scale MP games might be an exception, last gen really struggled with that probably for RAM and CPU reasons.

That argument can be used for every generation. Besides, with cutting edge specs, developers can be even more ambitious. I wouldn't say GTAV and Skyrim are more ambitious than modern day games, especially compared to other next gen, open world games like RDR2, Horizon, The Witcher 3. 

PS3 hardware did hold back The Last Guardian, straight from Yoshida: 

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-last-guardian-for-ps3-would-have-been-compromi/1100-6428488/

In 2012, with the knowledge that the PS4 was due to release just a year later, Yoshida said Sony realized that it had to make an important decision regarding the fate of The Last Guardian.

"With the [PS4 development] system available it became apparent for us that we just cannot continue like this in terms of the pace of development," Yoshida said. "We knew that we had to compromise on the design or the scope or the number of characters if we stayed on PS3. So in order to realize the vision we said, 'Let's do PS4.'

-- 

Games are poised to jump in complexity this gen with the SSD/CPU. We already have Sony/MS boasting about no load times. That in of itself is a major development in game/world design.

I would say its more of trade off. 7th gen games like GTAV and Skyrim are more ambitious and complex in different ways than the games you mentioned. Unsurprisingly RDR2 is an ambitious games made by the same company that did GTAV.

First and foremost I believe Last Guardian was in development hell. I dont believe Last Guardian was too complex for PS3. Same goes for Scalebound inspite of what is claimed.

In some ways games will become more complex next gen. Yet its still possible to scale aspects back to function better on last gen. Maybe they will produce a stripped down experience like Forza Horizon 2 on 360 in some cases. We have to wait and see.

Also, they only commited two years of X1 support. That's likely 2021 and 2022. If an ambitious game began development right now, it might not be ready until 2023. Based on the typical development cycle of AAA games. Sometimes longer.

That kinda suggests MS is only promising currently in development content that's planned for 2021 and 2022.

Most 8th gen games you mentioned werent in the first two years. Meanwhile Witcher 3 works well on Switch thanks to heavy optimization.



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Mr Puggsly on 12 January 2020
goopy20 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

You're assuming supporting X1 and pushing graphics at the same time is mutually exclusive.

Visuals are the generally the easiest aspect to scale back, refer to Switch. You can have great looking content running on vastly inferior specs. Look at Wolfenstein II on X1X vs Switch. Somehow that great looking shooter works on a portable with a small fraction of power.

Am I the only one thinking about existing comparisons?

Not everything is scalable, though. The massive jump in CPU and storage speed should allow for new experiences that can't be done on current gen consoles. Especially if we are talking about level design (that's supposed to take a massive jump in scale because of SSD), ai, physics etc. The truth is that cross gen titles usually aren't as impressive as the games that skip previous gen consoles. It simply has to do with them running on new engines that allow for things not possible on previous gen hardware.   

Depends how the scaling back is done. Technically they could recreate the game to be less resource intensive but using much of the same assets. You make this more complicated than it actually is because you arent looking at the past.

Again, my guess is they are only promising games currently in development. So X1 support is already planned in some capacity for these 2021 and 2022 releases.

If they started decvelopment on a new project today, its development cycle would be beyond X1's promised support.



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HollyGamer on 12 January 2020
yvanjean said:
HollyGamer said:
What i can see from this strategy is , Microsoft will slow their next gen consoles sales by focusing on their old consoles . Focusing on old hardware. This will not end well for early Xbox X adopter , they will just play Xbox One games with increase resolution and frame rates. Of course Sony will also have some cross gen games, but allowing their first party IP to have exclusivity to next gen only added more value to PS5.

Gamer who already own old consoles and ready to move out to play next gen games will 100% buy PS5 instead Xbox X.

From your scenario your consumer actually only care about graphic and performance, why would would they want to play all their 3rd party games on the inferior PS5. Xbox series X first party will run at resolution, frame rate and performance that can't be match by PS5. The limitation of how good a game look on consoles is the hardware. Your argument that 1st party game will look better on inferior PS5 hardware compare to Xbox Series X just doesn't make sense.

I still think Sony need to walk a fine line because I doubt they will entirely drop PS4/PS4 Pro support, you know that 3rd party will still support the older console after PS5 release. We know that Sony studios are all making games targeting the PS5, but all of these game can be ported to their older consoles. Remains to be seen what Sony will do for owner of older gen that haven't upgrade. 

Does power even matter Nintendo Switch is proof that it doesn't, really the next gen is going to pin Sony exclusive against Microsoft exclusives all of which can be obtain for much cheaper on Microsoft console console due to gamepass. Do you want an inferior PS5 at $399 where you have to buy all the exclusives or a superior Xbox Series X at $499 where all the exclusives come included with gamepass. 

We talking about first party exclusivity here , PS5 and Xbox will be super close in specs and performance. Even if there is a difference, it's still un noticeable without watching Digital foundry videos. So 3rd party will look and run OK on both platform and nobody will complain

The question is for exclusives. Exclusives will look better due to all the effort are optimize for the consoles is the reason why exclusives exist. If you realize how many exclusives PS4 games has better tech, engine , optimization, better quality even compared to third party games that run on PC 2080 ti. This is why having power alone will not win the console sales. 

Why your last statement contradicted with your first statement???? Power for both company  are important but for certain degree and for the price proposition they offer. The important thing is how good their first party is on optimizing and use all the power. Having an exclusives next gen only based games is a method to showcase the power of next gen. Without this exclusives people will just stick to old consoles. 



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LudicrousSpeed on 12 January 2020
PotentHerbs said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

You didn’t show how they related at all. Furthermore, you clearly have a wildly false idea of what downplaying is. Discussing a topic isn’t downplaying anything. 

One of those threads is about Sony buying timed exclusives. It’s downplaying for me to say they will and that MS probably will, too? Your post in that thread was basically “guys like, Sony will buy third party stuff and their first party like totally is better than MS and Nintendo”. 

Another thread is about how Sony won the gen being boring. I said that idk if it was boring but certainly safe, that’s downplaying? Should I have made a post like yours which was basically “like Sony is totally going to dominate the gen, like they’ve done it three times already and will totally do it again”.

Maybe I have those two threads mixed up regarding your responses but yeah, your posts in those threads read like PR. Meanwhile having honest discussion about it is downplaying? LOL

Again, we didn’t make any big deal when Zelda was cross gen. Why would we care about Horizon? 

In the thread about Sony focusing on hardcore gamers, the third post is an anti - consumer Sony, the second page we get arrogant Sony, on the third page you suggest Sony is going to stop focusing on indies/AA (where you take a shot at the PS fanbase too), followed by another post insinuating SIE titles are weak because of third party money hatting, with another post about how Sony is sad and pathetic at the same time, with some more anti consumer posts, all downplaying Sony's supposed approach to the PS5. 

Regarding the thread about Sony winning the gen, thinking they won by having a "boring" console is one thing, attributing their success to their competitors failures is absolutely downplaying. We weren't the only ones posting in that thread so I have no idea why you're ignoring every other post. 

Looking at your post history, we can see a trend of pessimistic takes for SIE games/ Japanese titles, but this trend doesn't exist with you and Nintendo and their Japanese titles. I wouldn't even be surprised to see you take a shot at a Sony game in a Nintendo thread. So its hard to believe you wouldn't downplay a gimped Horizon sequel. Also, just look at the thread about cross play. If positive Sony news is downplayed then you can expect negative Sony news to be even worse. 

So as I said, you just have a laughably off base idea of downplaying. That or you’re just overly sensitive about it. Having a genuine discussion about something isn’t downplaying. You can attribute Sony’s success this gen to whatever you want. You can disagree that MS and Nintendo’s mistakes played huge roles in their success, but pointing that out isn’t downplaying. Should we all just parrot the same PR sounding stuff you posted in those threads? Sony will dominate. Sony first party is amazing. Wow, tantalizing discussion. 

Also, those posts you’re pointing out aren’t even from Xbox people in this thread discussing Microsoft’s game strategy. So again, who cares? You said the same people ok with Microsoft ITT would be in a Horizon 2 thread shitting on Sony if they did the same thing. I called BS on that, mostly because no one cares that much about Horizon 2, but also because the idea of cross gen games at launch don’t really seem to bother us. You’re yet to prove otherwise, and a bunch of threads where people discuss stuff, mostly people not in this thread, and none of it related to cross gen games, does t help your claim. 

Lastly, I’m dismissive of all “Japanese” games, regardless of platform. Even Microsoft. Most recently, DMC5, which I played on my Scorpio from GamePass. The issue here with your rose tinted glasses is I stick mostly to Xbox threads, Nintendo fans don’t come there much, but Sony people do, and they tend to bring up Shimagoshu Rokugon Xtreme Z and how much of an edge it gives the PS4 library before it goes on to sell 29 copies 😆

Ill reply to you again if you want to admit you were wrong regarding Horizon 2. Otherwise enjoy the last word in this stupid argument.



yvanjean on 12 January 2020
HollyGamer said:
yvanjean said:

From your scenario your consumer actually only care about graphic and performance, why would would they want to play all their 3rd party games on the inferior PS5. Xbox series X first party will run at resolution, frame rate and performance that can't be match by PS5. The limitation of how good a game look on consoles is the hardware. Your argument that 1st party game will look better on inferior PS5 hardware compare to Xbox Series X just doesn't make sense.

I still think Sony need to walk a fine line because I doubt they will entirely drop PS4/PS4 Pro support, you know that 3rd party will still support the older console after PS5 release. We know that Sony studios are all making games targeting the PS5, but all of these game can be ported to their older consoles. Remains to be seen what Sony will do for owner of older gen that haven't upgrade. 

Does power even matter Nintendo Switch is proof that it doesn't, really the next gen is going to pin Sony exclusive against Microsoft exclusives all of which can be obtain for much cheaper on Microsoft console console due to gamepass. Do you want an inferior PS5 at $399 where you have to buy all the exclusives or a superior Xbox Series X at $499 where all the exclusives come included with gamepass. 

We talking about first party exclusivity here , PS5 and Xbox will be super close in specs and performance. Even if there is a difference, it's still un noticeable without watching Digital foundry videos. So 3rd party will look and run OK on both platform and nobody will complain

The question is for exclusives. Exclusives will look better due to all the effort are optimize for the consoles is the reason why exclusives exist. If you realize how many exclusives PS4 games has better tech, engine , optimization, better quality even compared to third party games that run on PC 2080 ti. This is why having power alone will not win the console sales. 

Why your last statement contradicted with your first statement???? Power for both company  are important but for certain degree and for the price proposition they offer. The important thing is how good their first party is on optimizing and use all the power. Having an exclusives next gen only based games is a method to showcase the power of next gen. Without this exclusives people will just stick to old consoles. 

If all PS4 exclusive were ported to high end PC, you'd realize that all PS4 and PS4 pro games look and run like crap. Just compare game on PS4 to the PS4 Pro. I don't think anyone will support you if you claim that PS4 exclusive looks better then what can be offered on a high end PC. What they do offer is a unique experience that can only be experience on the Sony consoles. But, if you compare the actual install base of the Sony consoles and how many console owner actually own and play the exclusive games the attachment rate is surprisingly very low. 

Just look at history, OG Xbox .... no amount of secret sauce can over come system limitation. There only so far console optimization can take you, On console compare to PC, sure you dont have to worry about the system taking resource away from gaming but there is still a hardware limit to what can be achieve. Why else do you think all game can't run 1080P/60FPS on PS4 and Xbox one. Just wait till you see Last of us 2 and God of wars patched and running on the PS5. You will see what you've really been missing out and how good these game should of looked.  

That's why you have so many Xbox owner like myself that will be upgrading to Xbox Series X day one. Because we want the best of next gen console gaming, beside if you want to play the best console version of 3rd party game that will be on Xbox Series X. Beside most PS5 won't be ready at launch so there should be no reason to pick up a PS5?



MIXSTER37 on 12 January 2020
LudicrousSpeed said:
Well it’s one year before it’s out, so I wouldn’t expect any then.

Personally I don’t care if the games are cross gen, it takes years to really start seeing games taking advantage of a console anyway. Outside of graphics, which can be there day one even if the games are also on Xbone.

Not true Infamous Second Son on the PS4 played and looked better than any other PS3 game and the same went for Killzone Shadow Fall. The real reason why these games will be cross gen is likely because of the rumored second console that has equal or close to equal power to the XBOX One X making it so that MICROSOFT will have to make sure that it will run on the lower powered console.



HollyGamer on 12 January 2020
yvanjean said:
HollyGamer said:

We talking about first party exclusivity here , PS5 and Xbox will be super close in specs and performance. Even if there is a difference, it's still un noticeable without watching Digital foundry videos. So 3rd party will look and run OK on both platform and nobody will complain

The question is for exclusives. Exclusives will look better due to all the effort are optimize for the consoles is the reason why exclusives exist. If you realize how many exclusives PS4 games has better tech, engine , optimization, better quality even compared to third party games that run on PC 2080 ti. This is why having power alone will not win the console sales. 

Why your last statement contradicted with your first statement???? Power for both company  are important but for certain degree and for the price proposition they offer. The important thing is how good their first party is on optimizing and use all the power. Having an exclusives next gen only based games is a method to showcase the power of next gen. Without this exclusives people will just stick to old consoles. 

If all PS4 exclusive were ported to high end PC, you'd realize that all PS4 and PS4 pro games look and run like crap. Just compare game on PS4 to the PS4 Pro. I don't think anyone will support you if you claim that PS4 exclusive looks better then what can be offered on a high end PC. What they do offer is a unique experience that can only be experience on the Sony consoles. But, if you compare the actual install base of the Sony consoles and how many console owner actually own and play the exclusive games the attachment rate is surprisingly very low. 

Just look at history, OG Xbox .... no amount of secret sauce can over come system limitation. There only so far console optimization can take you, On console compare to PC, sure you dont have to worry about the system taking resource away from gaming but there is still a hardware limit to what can be achieve. Why else do you think all game can't run 1080P/60FPS on PS4 and Xbox one. Just wait till you see Last of us 2 and God of wars patched and running on the PS5. You will see what you've really been missing out and how good these game should of looked.  

That's why you have so many Xbox owner like myself that will be upgrading to Xbox Series X day one. Because we want the best of next gen console gaming, beside if you want to play the best console version of 3rd party game that will be on Xbox Series X. Beside most PS5 won't be ready at launch so there should be no reason to pick up a PS5?

We are not talking about backward compatibility ,both consoles already confirmed to have backward compatibility and will run games from old gen consoles with enhanced graphic, resolution and frame rates.  Also backward compatibility is another proof that Microsoft strategy with cross gen games is useless, because Xbox series X can already play Xbox One games without the need of Xbox series X version. 

PS4 exclusives looks better than high end PC because there is no high end PC exclusives developed for high end GPU!!!  If there is Nvidia 2080 TI exclusives then you have right to speak.

All games developed on PC until now are developed based on Xbox One original spec  from 2013 with Jaguar CPU and 1.3 teraflop. All modern games that came as multiplatform games are developed with the lowest spec  . The reason is , to make developer easy to develop and ported to high end PC and to run on mid gen refresh consoles (PS4 pro/X). High end PC like 2080 TI and mid gen refresh consoles will just scale up the games based on what old gen look like.

That's why high end PC is not representative for next gen, not because the hardware capability but because there is no exclusives games that develop to use and utilize the benefit of next gen spec on high end PC. The same thing is happening for Xbox X. All games will be just like  mid gen refresh consoles (Xbox One X /PS4 pro. Nothing new just old Xbox One games run at better frame rates , better resolution with the same graphic from Xbox One old era.   

Even if most PS5 first exclusive won't be ready (which i doubt that ) Sony still have 2 or three games prepared for PS5 exclusives from their first party  that will make PS5 more valuable to most gamers who already own Xbox. Hell even without games PS5 is a big names on US and the rest of the world and top brand name. PS5 will do just more than fine even without single games . We are talking about Xbox brand as a consoles here where it's existent is questionable to the rest of the world , hell even to US.  Xbox need exclusives to sell their console to compete with PS5. Or do you think the leser brand  like Xbox brand already become arrogant and under estimate PS5 brand as the champion ? 

 



Mr Puggsly on 12 January 2020
MIXSTER37 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
Well it’s one year before it’s out, so I wouldn’t expect any then.

Personally I don’t care if the games are cross gen, it takes years to really start seeing games taking advantage of a console anyway. Outside of graphics, which can be there day one even if the games are also on Xbone.

Not true Infamous Second Son on the PS4 played and looked better than any other PS3 game and the same went for Killzone Shadow Fall. The real reason why these games will be cross gen is likely because of the rumored second console that has equal or close to equal power to the XBOX One X making it so that MICROSOFT will have to make sure that it will run on the lower powered console.

I agree Infamous:SS and Killzone looked fantastic, but with vastly scaled back visuals I do believe games like them can work on PS3.

I think people forget how many ambitious games last gen had. Suddenly they cant handle open world action games and linear shooters?

You should see Assassin's Creed, Red Faction Guerilla, Bioshock games, etc. PS3 can handle pretty impressive stuff.

I completed both of those games you mentioned, there was nothing remarkable about them beyond visual polish.



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