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Is anyone surprised? I suspected they'd charge full or near-full price for games once it was announced that you have to pay for the games in addition to the service itself. A digital copy of a particular game is usually as expensive as a physical copy, sometimes more so. But what makes Stadia even more of a farce is that you pay that money for a game and you don't even have a local copy to show for it. You could dump a ton of money into games on Stadia, and if the service is ever shut down, all of your games are simply no more, because they never were yours. I mean, digital downloads technically aren't yours, either, but you at least have a local copy saved when you purchased the game, which will normally remain on your hard drive if the game gets de-listed or the store selling them is shut down. Imagine if Netflix was like Stadia: in addition to the $10 monthly sub, you had to pay, say, $20 for a movie or $50 for a season of a show, but with no digital copy stored to your hard drive.

It's extremely rare that I actively hope for something to fail, but Stadia is one of those things that I hope never makes it. I hate the very concept for what it stands for and what it could potentially normalize if it does succeed, and everything they've announced about it just makes it seem worse and worse. The whole thing is a screwjob.



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numberwang said:
setsunatenshi said:

a) we don't know the price, actually i would not mind an increase to the 600 tag for a premium sku, but i'm in the minority

b) cool, so you should add that cost to your comparison

c) we don't know, that spec has not been announced, but 1TB m2 drive would be fantastic, why would we need 2TB right now? Buy one in a few years when it's cheaper

d) i do, literally just around doing absolutely nothing right now. the question is, why the hell would i need it in connection to the ps5? hdds are slow as shit.

e) it's called PS Now, and it's around for a few years. you can stream or download current gen games to PS4 and PC (download obviously only on the PS4). btw it costs $60 per year and the games are free

All that niggling is useless. Focus on the important things: Stadia works on a technical level and it will get better. Nextgen will cost a premium and a lot of casuals will look for alternatives.

i advise you to see the reviews first. from the descriptions i saw it seems at best to work as well as the current version of PS now. some artifacting now and then, muted colors, slight lag enough to throw your timing off in some games, but overall playable sure.

so it's really nothing new what stadia is doing, just on a terrible business model which means both X Cloud and PS Now are better alternatives as thigs stand.



numberwang said:
setsunatenshi said:

a) we don't know the price, actually i would not mind an increase to the 600 tag for a premium sku, but i'm in the minority

b) cool, so you should add that cost to your comparison

c) we don't know, that spec has not been announced, but 1TB m2 drive would be fantastic, why would we need 2TB right now? Buy one in a few years when it's cheaper

d) i do, literally just around doing absolutely nothing right now. the question is, why the hell would i need it in connection to the ps5? hdds are slow as shit.

e) it's called PS Now, and it's around for a few years. you can stream or download current gen games to PS4 and PC (download obviously only on the PS4). btw it costs $60 per year and the games are free

All that niggling is useless. Focus on the important things: Stadia works on a technical level and it will get better. Nextgen will cost a premium and a lot of casuals will look for alternatives.

What a lonely island you are on here on VGC. It's just you and.....,Chancey?....If there's one thing I've always wanted to do as a gamer, it's closing the ties between myself and casuals looking for alternatives.

Last edited by COKTOE - on 20 November 2019

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Game PSN (Full Price) XBOX (Full Price) Stadia (Full Price)
Red Dead Redemption 2 £59.99 £59.99 £54.99
Mortal Kombat 11 £54.99 £54.99 £49.99
Shadow of the Tomb Raider £49.99 £49.99 £49.99

Prices seem fine, in line with other consoles digital stores. Considering the increased cost to Google of free unlimited streaming this is good.

Saying you can get X game much cheaper on X platform is always going to look very negative to new releases. An example would be Witcher 3 that came to Switch for $60 when you could get it for $15 on other platforms. It's not exactly a fair comparison.



LTD: PS4 - 125m, Switch - 110m, XBO - 51m

2020: PS4 - 9m, Switch - 22.5m, XBO - 2.5m, PS5 - 4.5m, XBX - 2.8m

Barkley said:
Game PSN (Full Price) XBOX (Full Price) Stadia (Full Price)
Red Dead Redemption 2 £59.99 £59.99 £54.99
Mortal Kombat 11 £54.99 £54.99 £49.99
Shadow of the Tomb Raider £49.99 £49.99 £49.99

Prices seem fine, in line with other consoles digital stores. Considering the increased cost to Google of free unlimited streaming this is good.

Saying you can get X game much cheaper on X platform is always going to look very negative to new releases. An example would be Witcher 3 that came to Switch for $60 when you could get it for $15 on other platforms. It's not exactly a fair comparison.


Amazon (current) physical PS4 disc prices:

Red dead redemption 2 = 39$ new (35$ used)
Mortal Combat 11 Special edition = 35$ new
Shadow of the Tomb Raider = 19$ new


"An example would be Witcher 3 that came to Switch for $60 when you could get it for $15 on other platforms. It's not exactly a fair comparison."

So your saying wait a year or two, and these games on stadia will be as low as they are on the current PS4/XB1?
Why release full price though, if you know your competition has them selling for much cheaper currently? and at better experiance (gameplay wise)?

Better question... why wait a few years on stadia game prices to drop, if you own a pc or console?
Just get it other places cheaper.

I'm haveing a hard time seeing how stadia is going to compete tbh.
Theres just too many issues in the way.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 20 November 2019

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Barkley said:
Game PSN (Full Price) XBOX (Full Price) Stadia (Full Price)
Red Dead Redemption 2 £59.99 £59.99 £54.99
Mortal Kombat 11 £54.99 £54.99 £49.99
Shadow of the Tomb Raider £49.99 £49.99 £49.99

Prices seem fine, in line with other consoles digital stores. Considering the increased cost to Google of free unlimited streaming this is good.

Saying you can get X game much cheaper on X platform is always going to look very negative to new releases. An example would be Witcher 3 that came to Switch for $60 when you could get it for $15 on other platforms. It's not exactly a fair comparison.

Nobody should be paying those prices though. All of those games can be had for way less money, either by waiting for a sale or buying a gently used retail copy. Digital storefront prices work like clothing prices in department stores. They always list the price as something ridiculous in the hopes that some sucker will pay it. Then when they are ready to actually start selling product they list a more reasonable price and call it "a sale". 

Steam, PSN, and XBOX stores all work because there are alternatives for customers to shop at for a fair price. If you don't like the prices on Steam's main page you can always just buy a Steam Key from another web site at a fairer price. If you don't like the prices on PSN or XBOX you can always just find a physical copy for less. 

But what can a Stadia customer do if they don't like the prices listed? Nothing. Publishers want it this way, and like it this way. They want to be able to charge the maximum amount for their product. And in an ecosystem like Stadia where there's no competition for game prices, they can indeed charge whatever they want. 



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JRPGfan said:

Why release full price though, if you know your competition has them selling for much cheaper currently?

Google don't choose the prices, publishers do. Just as publishers choose the prices on PSN/XBL.

Releasing games on a new platform at full price is just what publishers do. Witcher 3 was $60, Crash released on Xbox/Switch a year later, but wasn't cheaper. That's just how it is.



LTD: PS4 - 125m, Switch - 110m, XBO - 51m

2020: PS4 - 9m, Switch - 22.5m, XBO - 2.5m, PS5 - 4.5m, XBX - 2.8m

Cerebralbore101 said:

Nobody should be paying those prices though. 

Steam, PSN, and XBOX stores all work because there are alternatives for customers to shop at for a fair price. If you don't like the prices on Steam's main page you can always just buy a Steam Key from another web site at a fairer price. If you don't like the prices on PSN or XBOX you can always just find a physical copy for less. 

But what can a Stadia customer do if they don't like the prices listed? Nothing. Publishers want it this way, and like it this way. They want to be able to charge the maximum amount for their product. And in an ecosystem like Stadia where there's no competition for game prices, they can indeed charge whatever they want. 

I agree, or at least I wouldn't pay those prices anyway.

"But what can a Stadia customer do if they don't like the prices listed?" - Very soon there'll be heavy competition with cloud gaming services. XCloud, Stadia, PSNow... we know EA are working on a cloud service too. Everyone's going to be trying to get in the ring and there will be price wars. Just not in the next few months.

Stadia may essentially have a monopoly at the moment, but that will change quickly. Then the competition for game prices will start and will be fierce. With Zero barrier for entry (No expensive hardware to buy) these services will have to offer the best price and best performance for their games or people will just buy it on another service. There'll be no problem switching between them on a whim.



LTD: PS4 - 125m, Switch - 110m, XBO - 51m

2020: PS4 - 9m, Switch - 22.5m, XBO - 2.5m, PS5 - 4.5m, XBX - 2.8m

Barkley said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Nobody should be paying those prices though. 

Steam, PSN, and XBOX stores all work because there are alternatives for customers to shop at for a fair price. If you don't like the prices on Steam's main page you can always just buy a Steam Key from another web site at a fairer price. If you don't like the prices on PSN or XBOX you can always just find a physical copy for less. 

But what can a Stadia customer do if they don't like the prices listed? Nothing. Publishers want it this way, and like it this way. They want to be able to charge the maximum amount for their product. And in an ecosystem like Stadia where there's no competition for game prices, they can indeed charge whatever they want. 

I agree, or at least I wouldn't pay those prices anyway.

"But what can a Stadia customer do if they don't like the prices listed?" - Very soon there'll be heavy competition with cloud gaming services. XCloud, Stadia, PSNow... we know EA are working on a cloud service too. Everyone's going to be trying to get in the ring and there will be price wars. Just not in the next few months.

Stadia may essentially have a monopoly at the moment, but that will change quickly. Then the competition for game prices will start and will be fierce. With Zero barrier for entry (No expensive hardware to buy) these services will have to offer the best price and best performance for their games or people will just buy it on another service. There'll be no problem switching between them on a whim.

True. I see Xcloud making Stadia pretty much irrelevant though. Xcloud is Gamepass but with the added ability to stream to phones and tablets right? That would win easily because there's no need to buy games with Gamepass. Xcloud would be the true Netflix of games. And I would honestly welcome that as a part of the industry. 



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Can we re-Christen Switch tax as Stadia tax?